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I've been cycling for transportation for over 10 years. I don't know anyone who advocates for running reds who has rode a similar amount of time or longer. I have heard that argument before, but I think it underestimates the damage to the reputation of cyclists involved. Also, more experienced cyclists tend to take the lane at intersections, which would be a better way to avoid jockeying for space.

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Most of the cyclists I’m referring to have been cycling since childhood, so 15-20 years of experience, a lot of it in cities. Taking up the lane at the intersection is unrealistic in a lot of city scenarios, nobody I know advocates for getting in front of cars in the crosswalk or waiting in the middle of a long line of stopped cars at a red light.

> Taking up the lane at the intersection is unrealistic in a lot of city scenarios, nobody I know advocates for getting in front of cars in the crosswalk or waiting in the middle of a long line of stopped cars at a red light.

My understanding is that taking the lane at an intersection is often recommended, and some cities create special "bike box" infrastructure to encourage cyclists to do that, though few do.

I wouldn't recommend blocking the crosswalk, but my experience getting in a long line of cars is good.

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