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U.K. Police Will Soon Be Able to Search Through U.S. Data Without Asking a Judge

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> In colonial times, the British military used general warrants to search through houses and seize property. This practice was part of what fueled the American Revolution, and formed the basis for the 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Well I wouldn't worry too much - the US won't hand over the American woman that forgot she was in the UK, drove on the wrong side of the road and in so doing annihilated a poor unsuspecting 19 year old motorcyclist, so I think you're safe from redcoats knocking at the door in the middle of the night.

Wish I could downvote.

Five Eyes is laughing at you.

It will be hard to fight this. Even if fighting it now, it will happen at some point in the (near) future anyway. And it will broaden.

The big problem is that most people (voters) will simply say; catching terrorists (or criminals in general) is good, they do not care about losing a bit of privacy! Maybe they would care if they knew all the consequences?

In Spain you cannot film public spaces (cctv or otherwise) without permission of the persons you film, owners of cars you film etc. The fines are pretty high. The mayors of towns around here have been fighting the police (not the normal police but the Guardia) from putting up cctv to catch criminals. And with success; no cameras anywhere where I am, in any of the towns around me. If someone hangs one up at their house that points to the street, they will pay fines and have to remove it; they drive around and check.

Law enforcement is not as strictly held to the privacy laws but they also cannot do what they want; they need permission, the equipment is costly as it needs to be stored in ways that protects the public and accessing it is very restricted to actual crimes in the location.

The people ‘in the bars’ are against all of this; they want cctv cams everywhere (with facial recognition if they know what it is) they can be put to catch burglars and robbers. So it will happen eventually. Not today, but soon-ish, when there is enough pressure by voters.

Which part of Spain are you referring to? Because at least in Valencia I was surpassed to find a ton of cctv in public spaces like parks and busy streets.

As a European, I find that a bit amusing, though begrudgingly so. We non-US citizen are in that situation since ever, because the American agencies simply don't care about the rights of foreigners. That didn't seem to bother US citizens at all, as long as "terrorists" could be stopped. I'm struggling to be too emphatic about you guys now.

My thoughts exactly as a non-american. I just find this amusing and all I can say is welcome to the club of being spied on with impunity.

If you think your government isn't collecting as much as they can, then, you're likely mistaken.

But that is not the point. The point is being spied on by a foreign government with a slight superiority complex. The point is that there isn't anything we can do about it, contrary to our home country, where we can vote for our desired policy.

The NSA is allowed to search all foreigner’s data without any warrant - it’s open season for those hunters. Only makes sense, and is fair, for foreign countries to do the same. We need some serious release of a US politician’s google searches to fix this problem.

The cynic in me says that wouldn't even fix the problem.

Wonder how long it take for US police to ask UK police to do a search for them?

Or if that's actually be design.

How long? Not long.

"For Americans, [the deal] will effectively abrogate Fourth Amendment protections, and subject their data to search and seizure by foreign police."

"It will grant real-time access to communications, allowing foreign police to wiretap Americans’ conversations, ignoring the high requirements for a wiretap under US law."

"These extraordinary search powers given to foreign police can be used even for relatively low-level crimes."

If you haven't heard, this is how Xkeyscore scheme is said to work to dodge 4th amendment:

US lets UK spies read US wiretaps they legally cannot, and construct dossiers from them. Then the UK side does the same.

Both then share the resulting work with each other.

Do you have proof?

Snowden?

Common sense, and knowledge of previous behavior.

The intelligence services of both countries that openly admit they cooperate with each other, they just don't say to what degree. Also Five eyes, which has been operating since the 1940s.

That's the design of the 'five eyes'. It has already been going on for a long time.

This data / capability is worth at least tens of billions. From a purely cold calculation perspective, the UK could if desired use this data in a myriad number of ways to extract lucrative financial value. The US could too but because of the disproportionate size of the respective economies, I'd much rather be the on shortstack side of this kind of deal.

I'm ok with this if I can have access to all of the UK and US politicians' and all their associates' real time communications data.

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