London to deploy live facial recognition to find wanted faces in a crowd

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https://www.nueva-ciudad.com.ar/notas/201905/40692-los-error...

If it really was just a list of symbols for groups that might hold a peaceful but potentially disruptive protest then I would expect to see the Countryside Alliance or London Taxis Drivers Association on there... but they are not present.

You are also missing something. It is really about civilians being harmed? How many people died last year from terrorism in the US or the UK? How many died because people were texting and driving? Or drunk driving? Should we track when you text and drive the same way? Should we have police sit outside of every bar testing people to prevent harm? I think we all prefer to have the presumption of innocence and to face consequences for our mistakes and crimes, not to be tracked in case we do.

That cell harming people you want to imagine would be some other government agency acting as part of a covert operation after a long time of planning and preparation, with plenty of spies deep in the government. And they don't actually harm people all that much, not the point, they do just a few acts of terror with a few deaths for war propaganda. But once they are caught on surveillance it's already too late, it means they are ready to approach the head of police and start using serious military weapons, and plenty of people are already on the wrong side of war propaganda.

> where sufficiently-organized individuals use modern technology to harm innocent people and government cannot stop them

Such things don't really happen anymore, governments are too authoritarian already and really like their monopoly on harming people. The only way sufficiently-organized people can coexist with the government is for them to subvert law enforcement or to originate from law enforcement. Governments can deal with either case by replacing everyone or by letting them have their corruption in exchange for being loyal to the government.

Basically surveillance is not the tool for anything you talk about, it's role is the exact opposite: to keep people from disobeying the government, the ruling class, the whole systems, no matter how much harm they do to the people.

1) The government should not be able compel corporations to add 'features' to help them in this

2) We are talking about an actual warrant, where someone physically went in front of a physical judge int the same location to ask for it, and

3) There is no allowance for speculative but "safe" collection of data they might want under a warrant later - you can only access data occurring after you have the warrant, or naturally occurring records (i.e. no slurping up everyone's cell phone connections/conversations "just in case")

Broad based surveillance of the population by the government is just a bad idea. Cf much of human history on abuse of power.

Number (2) is to make sure this is an expensive process.

At least here in Northern Ireland the traffic cameras can be viewed by the public with either a live video feed or regularly updating images.

Maybe because, as most UK citizens (at least the ones I've spoke to about this), you know that most non traffic cameras are not under police control, but under the control of the establishment that installed them, bars, pubs, stadiums, office buildings etc and the police has to provide a good enough reason, via a warrant, to actually see the footage.

There is also the matter of logistics, to connect every camera in say, London, to a central location to process the data, you would need a crapload of infra that doesn't exists at the moment. Not to mention how much processing power you would need to use this tech for every camera.

I believe the most vocal voices to sort out the false positives will be the police themselves. Deploying the stormtroopers for false positives, a few times per day, is not going to sit well with them.

I knew a Mexican citizen who was a legal green card holder in the US. Unfortunately his name was a match to a fugitive on the most wanted list. Every US entry involved an hour long interview to confirm his identity.

This is what machine vision will to to everyone with its false positives.

On paper the UK is living in some of the most authoritarian times in modern history. Post 9/11 is a completely different world across much of western society, we have less freedom in many respects. It's almost a trope to say we've given up freedom for the illusion of security. Quality of life isn't entirely represented by how many cars you can afford. I feel like we live in constant fear of terrorism, war, and so on. And yet we never actually get close to these perma-wars, they exist entirely in the press and on TV. I mean, how much Orwellian prophecy do you need before you recognize you are worse off than before?