are credit cards different from debit cards in this regard? Do some credit cards not sell your transactions?
* https://marketingreportoptout.visa.com/OPTOUT/request.do
* https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/about-mastercard/what-we-do/....
So if you have the choice between using a girocard or a credit/debit card to buy a product, the credit/debit card is significantly more likely to sell all your data.
Credit transaction fees actually make lots of sense and are grounded in the actual cost of the financial product. As a merchant, you can choose to accept only debit cards to avoid the cost
Giving someone money and then feeling all giddy when you get a "reward" later means you've been gamed.
It doesn't really feel that way as you're flying to Hawaii for free.
There is no free lunch.
The lunch is not free. You're buying it for us.
What you're doing is the equivalent of always paying with bills, and dropping your spare change in a jar. And when the jar is full, you buy a ticket to Hawaii with the money in it. Except with a credit card, they keep the jar, take half the quarters, give you back the rest, and make you feel grateful for the entire experience.
There's no dog and pony show involved, and I have not been gamed.
* I get literal cash through their rewards program which just slowly accumulates without me having to think about it.
* I get all the nice protections and can do chargebacks.
* The money I spend every month stays in my bank account until just after the bank calculates and cuts my interest check. Like it's super negligible but hey, if I'm getting an interest free loan anyway.
2% cash back from the card + 0.25% interest from the bank ain't nothing.
Once upon a time, it was beneficial for a merchant to accept credit cards, it lowered their costs for handling cash, which meant they saved money and the 2% cost for each transaction was reasonable.
In a world where everyone is using credit cards for every purchase, that 2% is essentially a tax instead.
Like there’s no point to trying to punch a river as a lowly software dev completely unrelated to finance and politics.
But, you have to realize that it's not beneficial to you. You don't earn anything, you merely, barely, move the needle back up to break-even. You're not gaining. You're not winning. You're not sticking anything to any man. If the entire credit card industry got rid of rewards, and lowered their merchant fees, it would be a net benefit to you.
So feeling happy or grateful for cash-back means that they got you, they tricked you into feeling grateful for the privilege of giving away your money.
Likewise, except for small businesses whose owners don't actually price in the cost of their own time and labor, it's not entirely obvious to me that the cost of accepting credit card payments actually is any more expensive than the cost of handling cash, which is probably why cash discounts are rare. The main exception to that seems to be gas stations (which usually have a lower price for debit cards and not straight cash), except even in that case, I get an even bigger discount by using Costco's gas station, which doesn't have any such discount. You do address this point...
> > Once upon a time, it was beneficial for a merchant to accept credit cards, it lowered their costs for handling cash, which meant they saved money and the 2% cost for each transaction was reasonable. In a world where everyone is using credit cards for every purchase, that 2% is essentially a tax instead.
That makes no sense. If the cost of receiving credit card transactions is 2%, that doesn't imply that the cost of receiving any other kind of transaction is 0%. If there's no cash discount, the difference in cost to the consumer is zero anyway. But the difference in cost to the merchant isn't 2% either, because if they accepted a different form of payment, the difference in cost would be 2% minus the cost of accepting that different form of payment. (And if they didn't accept any form of payment at all, the cost would effectively be 100% because there would be no sales). In a world where credit card sales are ubiquitous, if anything, credit cards become a better deal for merchants because there's less economy of scale for cash-handling services.
All in all, I would even suspect there are instances where credit card rewards end up providing a net positive to a sufficiently devoted cardholder simply because most people are not going to expend the time and effort necessary to maximize their credit card rewards. It's just like Vegas in that sense--while it's true that "the house always wins", casinos will also comp you rooms and drinks, and there are documented instances in which you would expect to be better off playing video poker or blackjack for long enough to get a free room (assuming perfect play, which means memorizing a small decision tree). Why is this possible? Because the vast majority of people don't play perfect blackjack or video poker. Businesses plan for average-case expected customer behavior and not best-case (or worst-case from their perspective).
The actual cost of handling card payments is very, very low these days, but merchants are stuck paying the higher price, because there's effectively no competition in the space. To avoid having obscene profits, the cc companies give back a lot of the extra money to the consumers in the form of cashbacks and rewards, and then consumers stupidly feel grateful for being fleeced.
In an ideal world, merchants would pay only the actual cost for handling card payments, only pay for the tech itself, and the fraud risk. Naturally, such a pricing would be a fixed per-transaction-fee, because the actual cost is the same for each transaction.
In the same ideal world, the credit risk of credit cards have to be managed through the interest rate and credit worthiness management. It's completely outrageous that credit card processing fees should in any way, shape or form cover the risk side or the fraud side of the business. That's not the merchant's problem.
That would be fair. That wouldn't be gameable. Some countries did exactly this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dankort
In other words, the cost of processing credit cards is low enough that it successfully competes with every alternative form of payment. In which case I don't see what you're outraged about. Invent a more cost-effective payment mechanism if you think there's an opportunity for it.
Is this right? It's been my experience (in Canada) that losing a fraud case or chargeback the store takes the hit.
Also, the opt-out of each number is only honored for FIVE years after which you need to opt-out again.
But it's still worth opting-out of your Apple Card's virtual number.
The number is in the wallet app, ... > Card Information
It's possible that this is an implementation detail and some banks do it without a unique card number...
https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/about-mastercard/what-we-do/...
This sounds like they are going to continue using my purchase data but without anonymization? Not a native speaker so perhaps I'm just misunderstanding the sentence.
Can't sell cash transactions yet!