Wuhan scientists: What it’s like to be on lockdown

I find ZeroHedge usually has links to the source articles and they are often "mainstream".

Even though I don't understand a single word on that page, I immediately recognised that they are using Bootstrap.

For whatever reason I didn't expect them to use a western design tool. It's interesting how far Bootstrap is spreading into all corners of the world.

Thanks. I am interested in donating but my wife is worried about scams. Is there any way I can verify the authenticity of this campaign?

>For example, the US very quickly shut down one of their largest cities and all air travel in the country on 9/11.

Locking down an entire city (cities?) is much more severe than shutting down commercial flights.

The FAA already had discretionary authority over US airspace. Saying “no” to everything all at once was unusual, but didn’t exercise any new power. Martial law is more like “sudo” for the executive branch, letting it do what would not otherwise be legal.

... or fatal if the direction is bad. And as authoritarianism tends to coincide with corruption, chances are the direction is bad quite often.

I don't know...a (competently run) FEMA could probably quarantine a US state relatively efficiently. Once the "disaster" mindset kicks in, things happen relatively efficiently as the motivation is there.

Recognizing it is a disaster is another thing...was the CCP late on this part of the Wuhan outbreak? Orwellian efficiency may be countered by Orwellian denial of problems...

Quote from another HN thread comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22137131):

> I was born and raised in Wuhan. My father and a few friends are still in Wuhan, one of the friend is a nurse. Here's what they told me:

> * The hospitals in Wuhan are at absolute maximum capacity. they are lumping any fever cases (e.g. flu) patients with potential coronavirus patients in the same room.

> * People with mild symptoms are sent home due to capacity, they are instructed to be quarantined at home unless symptoms get worse

> * Despite reports, surgical masks are completely sold out in China, my dad is asking me to send him 3M (the brand) masks from abroad. > * Even hospitals are low on surgical masks for staff. Each nurse is given one or two masks per day, but per regulation, they needed to replace the mask every 3 hours.

> * A wider scale locked down went in to effect in Wuhan this morning, forbidding anybody from entering or leaving on any roads, rail, water or flight.

> * Domestic news are filled with non-sense, top 3 news today are praising Xi's CNY speech, which has exactly zero word mentioning the pandemic or Wuhan.

> * This coronavirus is potentially deadlier than SARS. Most of the 25 deaths are from the original 47 cases that was reported a few weeks ago.

Compilation of various footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv_ScEYMQ0s of people collapsing on the streets and a doctor freaking out.

[Nurse estimating 90.000 infected](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQflXs0jZ9w), scolding the government, giving advice how to stay safe and encouraging people to donate disposable masks, goggles and clothes.

[Nurse estimating 100.000 infected](https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/etnc6g/hear_it_ursel...), the 10 doctors at her hospital treating more than 100 infected people per day, scolding government for false promises and lack of support, warning people not to trust anything the government says.

FYI, I've known a few nurses in Asian countries, including China, and it's extremely common for them to build a close relationship. I know in Thailand they're required to learn the names of all their seniors and form a bond with them, and will often have large group chats with former classmates and coworkers. A nurse I know in Thailand told me that she would no doubt know what the situation was like at her hospital (number of patients, workload of doctors, medical supplies), and she still keep touch with over a hundred different nurses working at other hospitals and nurseries, from whom she would be able to gather similar information. I imagine the situation is the same in China, and when we see two nurses (with Wuhan accents) give similar estimates, then I'd no doubt trust those numbers more than those of the government, especially considering the significant amount of videos of people collapsing and lying dead on the ground, as well as the fact that the government has expanded the lockdown to 56 million people, and shut down 70.000 cinemas all over the country.

The government spent several weeks suppressing critical information and arresting those who tried to warn others. Even now information is still being censored and people in China are not taking necessary precautions to protect themselves.

What can be presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. There was no argument in that post to disprove just baseless claims without evidence. Why would someone spend 10x as much time disproving a no effort no evidence post?

the onus is on the downvoted poster to support their own claims.

Where is the updated version?

Can we please avoid this types of response without citing source?

>data that was later revised down

Can we really trust reports that are coming out of China? From the CCP, no less?

Yeah an R0 of less than 1 would mean it fizzled out with not much effect.

Probaly alot of shorthand writing, anything with an R0 rating below 1 tends to die out. therefore you compare the sars rating of 1.49 and the novel corona virus of 3.8 by seeing how many times .49 fits in 2.8 which is around 5.7 times more infectious instead of 7.75 mentioned in his tweet (He probaly divided 3.8 by .49 instead of 2.8)

Ratings are just approximations and i'm no expert in virology to say wether this means anything at all.

The public health scientists wrote in his first tweet that he's "never seen an actual virality coefficient outside of Twitter", i.e. he's admitting to not being a subject-matter expert. So getting corrected by someone who's done their research is not that surprising.

Other diseases are worse. Measles is a lot worse, with an R0 estimated at between 12 and 18. But R0 is a measure of propagation rate in an undefended population. For most highly infectious diseases with known R0 values, we have defenses, typically vaccination which leaves the population, as a whole, a lot less vulnerable. So, in those cases, R0 is a measure of how bad things can get. Not for this new thing -- there's been no time to put defenses in place, so R0, whatever its actual value, is a measure of how bad things are.

How do we know this won't be transmittable even after individuals recover?