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Google stole the business of quora and trip advisor. They did the hard work of getting the content.
Google NLP algorithms use quora and trip advisor like training data sets. This is theft!
My guess is that Yelp is next.
EDIT:
I have no affiliation to those businesses, just that as someone interested in websites and internet businesses, its clear that its much harder to build a consumer facing content based website now. The content is simply extracted and stolen. How can we have a thriving internet when such monopolistic and profit driven practices stifle innovation and creation on the web?
TripAdvisor, Quora, and Yelp are just as rent-seeking and profit-driven as Google.
If I write a review on TripAdvisor or Yelp or answer a question on Quora, I, the author, certainly don't get compensated for it. If Quora fails and another company takes their place, it's no loss to me - I'm no less (and no more) willing to write for the new company for free. If I write the review on Google itself, I lose nothing. Perhaps something is structurally lost for the internet by allowing Google to be a monopoly, but there aren't any incentives for me to care.
If you want a thriving internet, fix that. Ideally, make it the case that when I write a good answer to a technical question on my blog, it's as likely to be seen as when I write a good answer to a technical question on StackOverflow - the idea of companies relying on SEO content is a structural failing in the first place. Then figure out how to motivate me to keep posting to my blog (which might be letting me, the actual author, monetize my blog somehow, but might just be me writing for the pleasure of writing and knowing other people are seeing it - or perhaps the quantified pleasure of seeing trustworthy upvotes in some way).
There is no moral high ground in this story.
For Quora and StackOverflow, they can (and do) index personal blogs etc., too. Google is a search engine; they don't need a single fixed third party to be the first search result to all questions in a category.
And if you want it, Google sees most credit card transactions. In 2017, they said, "Google’s third-party partnerships ... capture approximately 70% of credit and debit card transactions in the United States." https://adwords.googleblog.com/2017/05/powering-ads-and-anal... (Later reporting found a deal with MasterCard, at least.) So they could absolutely know if you bought the Amazon item or booked the hotel, if they wanted.
I wholeheartedly agree that there's a centralization concern about letting one company have so much power, but that doesn't change that there doesn't seem to be much advantage in another party being the review aggregator. If we can't figure out how to return control to the actual reviewers, Google is no worse of an aggregator.
There are distinct advantages to having a single cloud, with a single set of protocols/APIs/etc. The only issue I see is if Google starts filtering/blocking in a significant way, then the blocked communities will build their own infrastructure. But Google wouldn't want that data, since they are filtering it out in the first place, except perhaps to train their filters more accurately.
Again, ianal and dont really know what im talking about
But you do get 'compensated' you get a good feeling from it.
Along those lines there are many things that people do in which they get 'compensated' not by money or that money isn't the primary motivator.
Jeff Bezos does not get up and go to work every day because he wants to amass more money 'be compensated for what he does'. Yes it's a by product but I would argue it's not what drives him. He does it for other reasons and has other motivations.
Another example - A woman who volunteers at a hospital and doesn't get paid a salary does it to keep busy and to feel good not for 'compensation'.
Not saying money isn't important. But nobody comments on HN and gets paid although some people have made money as a result of commenting but my guess is that is not what led them down that road or kept them at it. [1]
[1] I say this from personal experience having made (to this day) a boatload of money making comments in another place (really you have no idea). But 100% never did it for that reason at all.
It’d be interesting to study how does HN thrives; more deeply understand the incentives that sustain the HN ecosystem.
If you want a thriving internet, get out of the way. Too many big companies and governments are trying to force us to see only certain things.
Stop that! Back to the early 90's.
Generally, I find Quora to be a pretty "ok" place to have a conversation. Better than most of Reddit, for sure. (Reddit does have some fantabulous subs to be sure, but not very many! :-) )
EDIT: HN is good for conversations in threads, although they can veer off track pretty wildly. Reddit can get pretty vitriolic. You could have a conversation, but the participants destroy it. Twitter? Fuggedaboutit. Are there sites I ought to look at where I can have a polite discussion with people that I may or may not agree with on various topics? [FWIW - Before 2008, Reddit itself was pretty close to this, except for maybe /r/politics]
OTOH a lot of legitimate questions were answered by specialists or people very familiar with the subjects
I only go there to read a few people's opinions on things. If you restrict yourself to those people then Quora seems ok. If a Quora link shows up in my search results -- I know it's going to be useless.
The only problem is Quora seems to aggressively promote clickbait scammers / self-promoting twits. I find myself actively logging on to Quora very rarely these days as it becomes harder and harder to repel useless content from my feed.
I just don't click Quora links anymore.
To me Quora is just a more entitled/self-righteous version of Reddit, and much less fun.
It is Quora itself that needs to justify against that valuation, not anyone else. Where that is fine or not, I think the news itself is self-explanatory.
I'm finding it hard to think of other domains with succesful quasi-public institutions run by for-profits without monetization. Are there other examples?
It works really well for blocking quora from google results.
Before that, Quora felt like a small community similar to HN. They had founders and executives answering questions. They were still spamming email afair but not as aggressively as today and it didn't have what is x + 3 = 10?
I deleted it after I reached a million answer views from a sudden growth. The users that moved in completely destroyed the whole thing.
That day, I learnt acquiring users via heavy marketing or SEO may not be a good decision for a community. They are better as spectators or consumers.
This frustrates me, but I think Quora's UX and marketing decisions greatly exacerbated this effect. Quora shot themselves in the foot with a shotgun thanks to their sign up walls. At one point (and probably still true), you couldn't even click a link to a related question within Quora itself without being forced to sign up.
This acts as a resistance, causing people to essentially bounce from Quora back to Google after the first click, so they can get a related question or answer, which Google provides thousands of pages of for free.
Google was on one corner selling fresh-pressed lemonade, and Quora opened a lemonade stand for 10x the price on the exact same corner. Rumor has it, Google's lemonade tasted better anyway.
Links from within Quora miss that and then you are prompted to login, but if you add the question mark you can access the target without logging in.
Not only that, this (as well as many other simple "tricks" or "workarounds") creates (arbitrarily) two kinds of users, those that know the trick and those that don't (and likely create two different sets of user opinions).
I mean, to me (because I know the little trick) usage of Quora is relatively painless (though I still try my best to avoiding using it because of the mostly terribly bad content) whilst another user that doesn't know the trick and doesn't want to login may have the illusion that the content, once accessed, may have some value.
Anecdotally, Quora has taken a top spot in SEO alongside Stackoverflow for a lot of my searches (and Reddit). I think that over time this will improve actually and I don't think this layoff is because they are doing poorly, rather the opposite, I predict they're doing well enough to go IPO soon and need to clean house.
I'll be happy to see Yelp go down too, I don't like the idea of extortion under the threat of bad reviews.
Tripadvisor has a great mobile app, and actually a mobile app makes sense, as I want to browse local results, filter and compare restaurants and activities easily.
As for quora, it's more like entertainment where I just want it to be part of my internet browsing experience, just like Reddit, where I don't want to load a mobile app just so see a result.
An no, google didn't steal anything from yelp. They just let users review places and post pictures.
TripAdvisor also has somewhat reasonable coverage internationally.
In my experience, none of these sites are great but they’re probably better than walking into a random restaurant.
"In its 2013 settlement, the FTC ruled against Google on scraping. Rivals can now opt out of having their content lifted, without fear of being demoted in the search rankings."
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/20/google-il...
The problem is not the monopolistic and profit-driven practice. It is that consumers are not willing to pay for anything and do not mind for their data to be mined, hence the only way for B2C are ads.
I understand that Google competes with Trip Advisor with their own travel offering but might you or someone else explain how they use NLP algorithms steal business from them? Also could you elaborate on how they might be using NLP on Quora to their advantage. Where or how do they compete with Quora exactly? Thanks.
Judging by the number of copycat sites surfacing in Google search results I don't think there is anything monopolistic in stealing the content.
Remember internet portals? Google is slowly transforming from search engine into one.
Most of the companies I've worked for are largely oblivious to this and continue to invest heavily in making their pages appear attractive to Google - even when the end result is negligible at best. It seems to be a really good way of draining developer resources at the expense of innovation. But perhaps that was the intention all along.
Not that I see them much anymore. I switched to DDG and will not be switching back.
Lots of startups do that and most of those don’t get far. Quora did and now they need to fix it. Just like code debt.
To be honest, it's not even clear to me that what google did was copyright infringement. It seems distasteful, even dishonorable, but I'm not convinced it goes beyond that.
- As a software engineer, what makes you roll your eyes every time you hear it?
- What did your mother say that made your jaw drop?
- What can I learn in one minute that will be useful for the rest of my life?
Those open questions just feel clickbait-y, with no real value added.
I occasionally see questions similar to the last one on HN (for example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21913129), it’s OK once in a while, but I hope it doesn’t become the norm. I think the HN userbase’s mindset and strong moderation guarantees that for now.
I have first hand knowledge of somebody who made pretty good money doing exactly that. His rule of thumb was: the dumber the question, the more profitable it was for him.
* Did Picard violate the Prime Directive in TNG S6E13?
* If five ninjas attacked you, how you would you physically defeat them?
* Here's the intellectual take on Spiderman fighting Batman, do you agree?
* Men who have dated supermodels, what was it like?
I thought it was supposed to be a somewhat serious site but it obviously wasn't. I don't think I ever went back. Perhaps the whole point was just a glorified PHP BBS, with a nice theme, better seo, and SV in-crowd early adopters. I never got it.
I know you typed that randomly, but for anyone wondering:
> Geordi La Forge falls in love with a woman accused of murder in an isolated communication relay station. The Enterprise crew investigates the crime, the only other suspect is a Klingon officer who frequently visited the station. > In 2019, ScreenRant ranked it the ninth worst episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation based on IMDB ratings, which was 6.1 out of 10 at that time.[3] They were critical of the Klingon subplot and described Geordi as a sexual predator.[3]
> If five ninjas attacked you, how you would you physically defeat them?
Don’t let them circle you?
> Here's the intellectual take on Spiderman fighting Batman, do you agree?
Batman would win. Bruce Wayne is smart and has a bat cave and Peter Parker is just a junior intern at buzzfeed.
> Men who have dated supermodels, what was it like?
I would click that
They need to start incentivising answers in someway soon otherwise it's going to go even further downhill.
The constant notification/email spam and ad/suggestion riddent pages didn't help either.
I'd wish something like quora would relaunch on Federation or something - surely hosting a simple QA platform can't be that difficult or expensive.
There's plenty of good content, it's just overloaded by crap questions since Quora pays people to ask (but not answer).
But yes, the quality of discussion on AskReddit is low, which is why I unsubscribed more than half a decade ago. Thankfully, there's other sections of reddit that are in a better state. Quora, however, is a one-trick pony. It's just AskReddit and nothing else. There's no AskHistorians (with it's high standards) or askscience.
Some other threads are talking about Google stealing a lot of the content. That's definitely true for weather, flights, but things like long form content is still long form. I would argue these layoffs aren't a function of the GMachine at work, but more generally all the big tech firms with lofted valuations are being 'called in'. Every week, I see at least 1 large name running lay offs here on HNews.
The bubble at the 1B+ vals has started to correct. Firms are expecting people to prove their worth. Lots of times this means IPO and then trading on a multiple of earnings. Many of these guys aren't even near net positive so it's very scary.
I expect 2020 to be the year startups have a lot of trouble at the Series C.
It's interesting to see the inside view but see that none of it hits the financial press, or even the analyst stuff like seeking alpha.
[1]: https://venturebeat.com/2008/10/10/the-sequoia-rip-good-time...
D,E,F companies?
Has the word "startup" simply replaced "company"? I'm thinking we should at least draw the line at a full decade.
At this point the word is meaningless to me. If anything I have noticed that “we are like a startup” is really code for “we are incredibly disorganized and chaotic but for some reason we are proud of it.” Any time something went wrong with one of these companies (was late to a meeting, forgot to attach something to an email, etc) the excuse was "sorry, that's just how it is working at a startup haha!"
+10 for candor
Really the only difference to me is that startup executives treat your time like it doesn't matter, 100% of the time. At bigger companies, we will schedule a meeting and talk about something. Many of my small inexperienced clients just send Slack messages one after the other at 6PM on a Friday that make no sense and clearly have no thought behind them beyond "this worked for my friends startup, lets try the same thing!!"
It just feels like 95% of startup founders I meet nowadays are so scatterbrained they can't communicate and will certainly never prepare for anything, all while expecting their employees to always be 100% prepared.
I am a "full-stack developer" (because I once worked through a React tutorial).
Recruiting and interviewing is a crapshoot, all around.
Sometimes a private company can take 10 or more years to reach the IPO stage. This is probably especially true for bootstrapped companies which can grow at a more steady pace than those VC-backed from very early on
Unfortunately the venture capital industry decided to just call everything they invest in a "startup" and the usage grew from there.
Barbershop on a corner is not a startup, it is known how this works and what it takes to make it profitable.
Barbershop in World of Warcraft or some other MMO which makes haircuts to your virtual Orcs is a startup, cause no one knows if this is viable as a business at all.
There's still a decent amount of amazing valuable answers from real verified experts but the experience of using it is horrendous and I've completely stopped trying to write anything anymore.
Yeah, that’s wrong. There’s no check for isLoggenIn().
I thought the recommendation is pretty good in terms of catching some attention. What's wrong with it?
There isn't anything wrong with this differentiation in some ways, but it has driven the company further down the SEO path and they don't seem to have tried other things. It feels like SO has built up a recruiting business, tried many times to get their Q&A software into companies with varying success, really managed the costs of their business, and invited public scrutiny of their tech. I can only imagine how much Quora are hemorrhaging from running costs and bad tech choices.
Just wondering if it is just me but I am surmising that it seems to indicate a wider systematic.. issue? Maybe issue is not the word for it. Symptom is probably a better description and it feels we are at the precipitous of an incoming storm/crunch/etc.
Please tell me I am imagining things.
Edit: I guess my question is more are all these layoffs an indicator of an incoming recession or is it something more nefarious like the big tech (FAANG) are taking steps to widen their positions while they are still in a "strong" position to do so (e.g. google).
I really doubt we're at a net negative.
What’s really protecting us from recession today, in my humble opinion, is that all of humanity is so interconnected and so hates recession that we’re willing to help out others who are on the brink of disaster of limit their failures to a small region rather than let it blow up in everybody’s face.
Also... small layoffs are not necessarily an indicator of recession, they can also be course corrections by overly optimistic companies whose wildly grandiose plans didn’t pan out as planned. While these well known businesses lay-off folks, my inbox is flooded by recruiters looking to fill multiple positions in a bevy of startups. In other words, business as usual.
It’s hard to disentangle the effect HN has on our thinking, though. Just because layoffs have popped up on HN, are we both imagining that it’s part of a global trend? Or do global tech trends inherently appear on HN? Hard to say.
My mortgage on a huge historic cotton mill loft with brick walls, 23'' ceilings, and city views in Atlanta is less than your rent.
You could consider getting out.
It seems like a no brainer to move. But you're ignoring the fact that someone of equivalent experience could get a paycheck of 500k here.
That pay differential swamps trying to optimize by tightening the budget.
I also can drive 7 minutes to work or run 30 minutes on the Beltline and shower when I get in.
There are more trees here than SF, and we have full seasons. It's also way more diverse. Not everyone is in tech. The dating scene is great.
SF isn't all it's made out to be.
> The dating scene is great.
Yeah, assuming you're a dude, the gender balance in Atlanta is probably much better, plus you're making excellent money in an area with much fewer people making bank; in SF, making 250k isn't even really that unusual, that's a mid-level dev position at Google, not even senior.
Re:diversity, I find there's this thing in the states where people count the percentage of black and Hispanic people as highly relevant to diversity, but Chinese and Indian people don't count, hence all the articles about how big tech companies are "mostly just white guys". Because the bay area really isn't very white, compared to the US as a whole.
I walk my dog 2 hours a day; are there places where the sidewalk density is high enough and the busy road density low enough that I could do that and have some route optionality so I'm not just doing the same walk all the time?
The Beltline plus Piedmont Park is a perfect fit. The Beltline is linear, but long (it circles the city), and all of the connected neighborhoods are extremely walkable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeltLine
Piedmont Park and Ansley are beautiful.
The Beltline will eventually connect to the Silver Comet trail, which is a completely paved bike path that extends all the way to Alabama.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Comet_Trail
If you're willing to get in the car, the Palisades, Kennesaw Mountain, and more are not far. They're extremely dog friendly, and I visit them often.
https://www.atlantatrails.com/hiking-trails/hiking-east-pali...
Also, Fetch Dog Park is freaking amazing. It's a dog park with alcohol. It blew up, and now they're opening four more locations in two other states.
https://atlantapetlife.com/fetch-dog-park/
You shouldn't have any problem.
I'm fully aware that I pay the "California Tax" to live somewhere with good weather, outstanding universities, and to work with some of the smartest people in my industry. But that's what I value right now. Different people are looking for different things.
Fingers crossed Atlanta makes good moves on the housing / transportation front in the next 20-30 years.
This part (and the city as a whole) feels like it could go either way.
The fed is ensuring liquidity in the overnight markets via short term loans which are paid back the next day (no one seems to know why there’s less liquidity there, could be higher asset values require greater liquid reserves, or some form of capital outflow tightening usd liquidity due to the strength of the dollar, or something else?)
Unemployment is exceeding low, which means more jobs are filled, which means there are less job postings.
People have been predicting doom since the dawn of mankind and sometimes they’re right.
Not sure about the yield curve enough to offer any explanation or even what it means when you say it’s inverted.
Not sure who’s right or what signs are meaningful. Dimension reduction of a search space is a difficult problem. Lots of times people see what they want to see.
I can’t help but just throw my hands up these days and go back to ViM, if it was Vegas I’d split my money fifty fifty on doom and gloom and outstanding success.
The yield curve is relatively standard economic news: https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2020/12/31/th...
Unemployment is used to define the recession so once that starts increasing again the process is already well underway.
I agree though, predicting a recession is like reading tea leaves. The data is so fuzzy and updated so infrequently that it's useless for practical decisions.
It's because JPMorgan Chase and friends think there is too much risk of intraday bankruptcy right now and no one wants to be left hanging on their loan.
Or the entire bank can be purchased/merged in which case your loan becomes an asset on the purchaser's balance sheet.
Bankruptcy doesn't mean "all bets are off".
People do know why there is less liquidity there. Something like the repo crisis doesn't happen out of the blue.
The yield curve is no longer inverted.
You end up with an investment bubble, which pops.
In recent years, oddly, even the questions seem fake, as if somebody somewhere is being paid to come up with questions. Why would I spend time to answer if not even the person asking seems to really care? Perhaps, I am not the only one to stop seeing the point in Quora a while ago.
Unfortunately, as predicted by pretty much everyone, it led to a massive influx of generic, repetitive, and trivial questions spammed endlessly to the top writers who have now stopped contributing. Most questions are just spam sinkholes in an endless battle by fake accounts for top position.
- Links to other questions open in new tabs
- Most content is not shown unless you login, they are really trying to push being logged in and their mobile app
- Answers with images seem to be ranked higher (even if poor quality)
- Clickbait-y questions and answers
I hope they can return to quality since in the beginning it was such a great resource - it was awesome to be able to get answers from domain experts, celebrities, etc... and the site was very usable.
All I was left with was impression that Quora hires people that are batshit.
Quora definitely does some questionable things nowadays, but I'd also argue they are still getting some key things right too.
And yes, I get they're doing it because it presumably works better on aggregate than not being assholes. That just makes me hate it even more.
Quora just makes me irrationally pissed off. I realize my dislike is over the top, some of the content isn't terrible, I'd love for the basic format to somehow work out, but the package is somehow worse than Trump tweeting and I sincerely hope it fails as soon as possible.
Oh, here's a bunch of Quora links. I'm screwed.
But to everyone else I'm sure it's really annoying.
That way, something like quora would grow more valuable instead of becoming more useless as they attempt to make money out of a squeezed lemon.
But Quora grinds my gears so hard that I can't separate the two.
While it’s SEO is fantastic, the actual content is pretty marginal.
I have no idea what the ultimate point is like I do with, say, Wkipedia.
The "hard fact" questions have answers that suck. Absolutely. SO is wildly better for that.
It's really a place to go to follow certain people you can rely on to post interesting stuff (ex, there's a lot of really good ASOIAF content), follow niche topics and waste time. Like an entirely text-based reddit.
I don’t think there’s any better Q&A site?
Every day they send me an email with some answers on topics I'm interested in, and I can't help but click on 6-8 of them from EACH email. The median CTR in any other of email digests recieved by me is zero.
Exactly same to me as well!
If you or someone you know is affected, feel free to use this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hk4REpHkCCTS74MGGRNR...
As startup workers, we should shame loudly and publicly companies that don't provide sufficient severance packages. It's the difference between causing a slight disturbance in worker's lives and potentially huge financial hardship.
(Of course all employees should have a financial reserve. The fact is many people don't though. And even if they do, it hurts a lot to make them burn it down.)
Someone should make a blacklist of startups that did layoffs without sufficient severance. Maybe I'll get around to it.
If you're playing the startup game, you're trading job security and pay for potential upside. I know people who've been burnt just as bad as a layoff because the company got sold for scraps. Don't expect big company benefits out of a startup; that's not how the game works.
You know, good news story.
You're missing the forest for the trees.
It's Quora. It's Softbank imploding. It's WeWork. It's Wag. It's Uber. It's Tesla. It's Doordash. It's Lyft. It's Casper. It's 23andme. It's Digital Ocean. It's Mozilla.
Who knows what the financials of the giant private companies actually look like?
This is classic late economic cycle: the companies still appear to be succesful, but the fundamentals are shifting.
Most of that is my fault, but now that info is available someplace forever.
Then it basically became GeoCities or MySpace or whatever. Garbage, filled with ads and posters shilling their services and goods, just yucky. Plus, as others have mentioned, doing a simple search, going over to quora, and then being forced to login.
That's a polite way to put it.
I'd say the WeWork IPO-that-wasn't was the public saying don't foist your shit on us. How many VC bagholders are now sitting on "billions of dollars" in meaningless paper gains based on nothing but SoftBank's and others nonsense valuations?
Ebay and TripAdvisor are public companies.
EBay has probably been feeling at least some pinch for a while from Amazon creeping in on their B2C channels. When I used to work at a small retail shop, we boosted sales by selling on Ebay. Nowadays, I imagine it would be Amazon instead.
23 and Me is IMO a result of people NOT wanting their genetic data leaked/sold/etc. and the market reflecting that.
Quora is like StackOverflow but with different drama and worse layout.
Tripadvisor IMO is feeling the squeeze of AirB&B and it's ilk.
Still -could- be a sign, but I don't think it's entirely unexpected.
You can search for something from Google, and the site allows you to view the page. Then the page suggests other links, and when you click on it, it forces you to sign in.
The trick is to copy that link, and open the page in a new incognito window.
I don’t know why they did it this way, but it’s thoroughly annoying, and I try to avoid visiting the site if I can. And I roll my eyes whenever that site comes up in a search result.
Whoever the ML engineers on the recommendation stack were.. really fucked up imo.
Creepy and bad.
Unfortunate that layoffs don't start with upper management.
Disclaimer: I didn't write this to badmouth or (un)recommend them. I am only curious if other people's experience is the same.
To my naïve understanding: they have an authentication system, a moderately high throughput CMS with a search engine, and...? + User-generated content. OK, some DevOps people, some people who negotiate with the CDNs. They seem pretty snappy so some serious work presumably went into the back end, but still. WhatsApp had only 50 people!
What am I completely missing here? why did they have 200 people?
If the interest repayment on a bank loan is less than 2%, then it means that any business which can make more than 2% profit on their activities is profitable. But do such businesses deserve to exist? The Fed sets the interest rate so they decide what kind of business is profitable and is allowed to exist.
It's obvious why the current economy has benefited tech companies that operate at high scale with ultra-low or close to 0 profit margins.
There was no interest at the time and advertising was a sole focus for business model.
CEO never followed up.
Sad.
Content curation doesn’t scale as well as search algorithms. It reminds me of Yahoo and other portals who relies on editorial staffs (not meant it in a bad way).
Companies that are ten years old are no longer startups.
“IBM, a 109-year-old software & services startup, will enhance the red carpet livestream with Grammy Insights with Watson this Sunday at the Staples Center in Los Angeles."
;)
I did not see that one coming.
According to a quick search, they were certified for 57 H1B visas. You read that right: 57 employees, in just 2019, of an approximate 200 person workforce, are foreigners that CEO D'Angelo claimed he was required to hire because he could not find US workers.
It looks like another 50 or so in the previous two years.
So half their employees are foreigners? How many US citizens are being laid off?
Some of these jobs, according the Department of Labor's data, are paying as low as $60K... in Mountain View.
Truly disgusting that this company is abusing the system like this. A fair punishment for these companies, along with all their visas being immediately revoked and a massive fine to discourage others, would be for the executive board to be forced to move their company to S. Asia, since apparently that's where their talent pool originates. If they aren't willing to hire US workers, they shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the infrastructure, laws, capital markets, etc. that are provided by US taxpayers.
* ReportH1BAbuse@uscis.dhs.gov
* https://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Quora/1096469.htm
* https://h1bsalary.online/extended_lca_data.php?LCADataID=781...