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From the site guidelines,

> Don’t mansplain, be respectful and remember to give the floor to women. That being said, all members are welcome to participate in all discussions... And keep in mind that the purpose of Women Make is to put women at the forefront.

Presumably the site is primarily for women, may I suggest perhaps a better choice of words? Although I find it unfortunate that we have to create a separate community based on gender, I hope you succeed in creating a positive community for women.

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> Although I find it unfortunate that we have to create a separate community based on gender

Why? Freedom of association is an important human right. According to wikipedia[0] "Freedom of Association is both an individual right and a collective right, guaranteed by all modern and democratic legal systems".

I think it's great that they are just exercising their rights.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association

Then why are all men-only groups constantly under attack to include women (Boy Scouts of America, etc.)?

I don't really know, but it's pretty odd. Especially since there already was Girl Scouts, which seems to be nearly the same.

I think likely there are quite a few reasons, but personally I'd say it's because it seems like there's this big push for inclusiveness and political correctness and anything that doesn't include everyone is bad.

I'm not English native so copywriting suggestions are more than welcome. How would you have said it?

By avoiding pejorative, sexist words like "mansplaining".

I heard this word used in a meeting just this week, and it was quite shocking. I almost just got up and walked out. It's sort of like calling someone a "deplorable"--if you want to get people on your side, it's not a word to use.

Please don't be a jerk on HN. If you have a point beyond just wanting to lash out, the idea here would be to make it thoughtfully and substantively.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I wasn't being "a jerk". Please read my commenting history to understand that I'm not a troll or a person who goes out of their way to be mean.

I think the word "mansplaining" is sexist and pejorative.

>If you have a point beyond just wanting to lash out [...]

I read this as, "If you have a [perspective] other than one I agree with [...]".

Please don't turn hn into a community that just echos opinions you agree with.

It always feels like the mods are just disagreeing with you. The opposite side feels the same way.

I described your comment as being a jerk because mariedm asked for copywriting suggestions, specifically in the context of being a non-native speaker, and you responded with a polemical smackdown. That's not good-faith discussion.

"Don't patronize others"

It is acceptable in native English. I think your target audience will understand. However, some people not in your target audience will get offended so it's up to you as to whether that's a problem for you.

It is laughable in English

Nonsense. About the only thing that's odd is the unnecessary ellipsis. But otherwise it's perfectly reasonable English. And expresses a perfectly reasonable idea.

> Although I find it unfortunate that we have to create a separate community based on gender.

Agreed.

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