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> the idea of E2E is precisely to remove trust from the equation

It doesn't do that. You don't have a way to verify what software runs when you send a whatsapp message.

Oh, it's worse. End-to-end encryption assurances are essentially in conflict with centralized control over software development and distribution. Literally the same organization end-to-end encryption is supposed to protect from is the one responsible for implementing and deploying that protection and doing that well and correctly.

That's interesting. Could you develop on this conflict?

For some reason it reminds me of the famous Moxie article: https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving Is it the same idea?

It's the opposite of Moxie's propaganda. Here's an example of this conflict at play: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22106536

Agreed, but I meant "properly implemented E2EE".

I really think that you aren't even trying to understand what other people are writing in this thread and you're just going back to the same ideas that were in your head before you asked your question.

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