Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming
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I think its the combination of the single digit nights which allow ice to form on the river, and warmer days which let the thin edges break free so it can turn. Then it's the action of grinding against the shoreline ice that creates the round shape, like a block of wood on a lathe under the worker's tools. We got another six inches of snow last night which will help to beef up the solid portion.
It's fascinating that it happened a second time. If I didn't have so much shoveling to do today I would almost be inclined to walk over there and take a look!
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>large-scale issues
Oh, so since this is an isolated phenomenon that it is your preference to ignore this as evidence for your cause because it doesn't meet your criteria. That's not science either.
>This sort of speculation harms the argument for climate change more than it helps it.
What? Do you get mad at people for saying "it looks like rain"?
This particular hypothesis seems to be invalidated by the fact that the phenomenon was observed before, back in 1895. See the wikipedia link in comment above.
> I agree in part in that I am skeptical that full self-driving cars will happen in the next few years, but he is completely wrong when it comes to the long term. Not only will the tech get as good as humans, but most forget to account for the fact that the environment will meet the cars part way. [..]
As you can see, speculation is well accepted in the HN community. This is why I think spritecranberry's comment was unfair.
Full thread here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22085756
What's different about the modern day is that there are 1. way more people to look, 2. way more cameras to record, 3. the internet to disseminate any unusual thing widely.
There has been few more of them around the world.
Just kidding around really, but I have to imagine that pockets of circular water currents like this, are more common than we would think.
We just can’t easily observe the dynamics of water flow until something like this happens, where a bunch of ice builds up and makes it obvious.
Well, no: https://ourplnt.com/earth-smooth-billiard-ball/
The myth is springs from the fact that if you had a smooth earth with a radius of center to Mariana Trench, and another smooth earth with a radius of center to Mt. Everest, you could shrink both of them by the same factor and fall within allowed billiard ball specifications. That says nothing about smoothness, only about the allowed size of ball.
If you actually shrunk the earth we're living on, the ball would still be rejected as quite too rough.
Vortices in a near-2d-flow like a river will absolutely be circular, vortices need to be coherent in some plane in order to sustain themselves.
The specific circumstances here must be that that the water is on the edge of freezing during downstream flow and there is a naturally-very-long-lived vortex in one region for it to initially form the ice-disc. Must also be followed by some very-gently-bounceing-off-the-edges, and the river never getting too thin for it to get stuck.
> Saturn's hexagon is a persisting hexagonal cloud pattern around the north pole of the planet Saturn, located at about 78°N.[1][2][3] The sides of the hexagon are about 14,500 km (9,000 mi) long,[4][5][6][7] which is more than the diameter of Earth[8] (about 12,700 km (7,900 mi).
They even added the fog (the fog in the picture is white and while there is dust on mars it's rather brown as the planet's surface https://mars.nasa.gov/imgs/mep/weather/PIA22520-600.jpg ).
That one is huge compared to the Maine disc as well.
I guess the end result would depend on the shape of the surrounding cave and on what fraction of its volume the object would eventually fill. I don’t see a tumbling cylinder made of ice inside a hollow sphere filled with icy water remain cylindrical in shape, for example.
On the other hand, inside a relatively tall cylindrical space where the water is below freezing temperature, things could be different (does the production of M&Ms involve tumbling?)
It is of limited meaning to say the gravity in LEO is 0.89G. That’s an Earth-centric statement, and ignores the gravitational contribution of the sun, the galaxy, the local group, and so on.... At best, you can say “a body initially at rest relative to the Earth at altitude 300km experiences an acceleration of 0.89g towards Earth”. Earth itself is in free fall around the Solar System’s barycenter, which in turn is in free-fall around the galaxy’s center of mass, which in turn is in free-fall around etc... etc...
The only gravitational experiment that could be done on the ISS to determine they were orbiting Earth (vs sitting in empty space far from any other bodies) would be to measure gravitational tidal forces.
When you create a drop of water and let it free-fall, it forms a sphere precisely because, from its frame of reference, there is zero gravity.
“a body initially at rest relative to the Earth at altitude 300km experiences an acceleration of 0.89g towards Earth”
which is false in the general-relativistic way of looking at things. An accelerometer initially at rest at 300km would show no acceleration as it starts to fall towards earth. If the atmosphere and the earth could be removed without affecting the shape of spacetime the accelerometer would continue speeding up till it reached where the center of the earth was, then slow down, reaching a speed of zero at a point opposite from where it started, at which point it would repeat the motion in reverse. At no point would it register an acceleration. Nor would an accelerometer in orbit register an acceleration. In the general-relativistic framework, free fall means no acceleration, and the motion of a body in free fall is determined solely by the shape of spacetime. So, at best you can say,
“The shape of spacetime at 300km affects a body's motion the same way an acceleration of 0.89g towards Earth would if spacetime were flat.”
By the way, an accelerometer on the surface of the earth, e.g., the one in your smartphone, registers a constant acceleration of 1.0g in the up direction caused by the normal force of whatever the smartphone is resting on. If someone knocks the phone off a table, the acceleration becomes zero till it hits the floor. (Air resistance can also apply an (upward) acceleration to the smartphone, but is negligible at the speeds reached during a fall of only a few feet by an object as heavy and dense as a smart phone.)
Correct, which is what I said (just not as explicit). I now realize that the “you” could be ambiguous though, the intended “you” is the person performing the experiment doesn’t need to be themselves in zero gravity.
Also agree with this as well (I again just wasn’t as detailed in my response). I used the word apparent because that’s the established convention from all scientific papers on the topic, but you are 100% correct that it’s identical. The VomitComet flights are a great example, but a lesser known example is going downhill on a roller coaster.
You obviously have to balance the water pressure and temperature to reach slow ice formation, and maybe you need a more interesting container shape than a donut to get interesting results.
Of course Earth also has appreciable gravity. The real problem isn't that nature produces no gas tight liquid-filled containers, it's that gravity is the primary mechanism by which things are naturally created in space. Asking for a situation without gravity virtually requires artificial construction.
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