https://merryjane.com/culture/are-smart-cart-vapes-legit-and...
As someone outside the US who has to work with the FDA, Americans should be very proud of how thorough FDA inspectors are at auditing and how good they are at identifying non-conformances and just plain criminal lack of due diligence.
There is a database of 'offenders' that are no longer allowed to sell their products it's seriously scary what some companies/people are willing to do for a quick buck.
You could argue that in the US there is a considerable amount of lobbying and influence that defeats the impartiality of some federal bodies but overall they do an amazing job at keep everyone safe.
Put another way, why do we think the solution for people with no integrity or no clue or both trying to make money out of vaping (Juul included) is to spend taxpayers money helping them behave themselves?
I find this attitude pretty crazy to be frank. Consider that whatever happens from here, however much joy everybody gets from vaping and blowing smoke in the future, it isn’t ever going to be worth 50 dead people.
There is that, and then Juul pretending to be a benefit to society while getting children addicted to nicotine and then selling themselves to big tobacco... what exactly is the benefit of vaping? The argument it minimises the harm from smoking is nonsense and unproven. There are well established methods of reducing smoking on a societal level (put up the taxes), which return money to the government to pay for all the negative externalities of smoking which big tobacco isn’t held accountable for.
Anyway, the USA has a funny attitude about these things. Personal choice and optionality are considered paramount. Someone else can pick up the pieces. Applying it everywhere is obviously flawed if you ask me.
The substance is legal and consumed by your citizens. Either make it illegal or regulate it, I am not sure there is much point in making moral judgements.
*Breast not brest
Cigarettes on the other hand are highly addictive. There's lots more in their smoke than just nicotine.
See https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine for more than you ever wanted to know.
I was quoting the research quoted by Gwern here.
Well you don’t need soda it’s a vice so we aren’t going to regulate it and make sure products are safe.
Who defines the start and end for what should be regulated? You? Legal products in the US should be safe to purchase. If marijuana is legalized it should be safe to purchase also.
Alcohol and tobacco are in use but surely we could save money by making them illegal. Why waste money and continue to regulate?
Again, who is deciding? Is it you? It should be illegal because... reasons? Reasons that don’t apply to other vices because... reasons?
I'm guessing you don't live in a major city or college town? I can't walk two blocks without seeing someone with a Juul.
Precisely because people are putting adulterants in black market cartridges.
> however much joy everybody gets from vaping and blowing smoke in the future, it isn’t ever going to be worth 50 dead people.
However much joy everybody gets from swimming in a pool, it isn't ever going to be worth 3,536 dead people.
If you're advocating for banning vaping, you're advocating for the creation of a black market. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol, it's not working for drugs, and it won't work for vaping.
You are supposing that prohibition won’t work. But it is the easiest and cheapest approach. All the problems with prohibition apply equally to regulation, but with much greater complexity and cost. Eg there will still be a black market for cheap unregulated vape juice, just like there is for cigarettes. So just put a moratorium on sale for 5 years, and if the pros outweigh the cons, ban it permanently. If not then come up with some other solution, regulation, whatever.
Is there a sizable black mark for unregulated cigarettes? My guess would be that the black market for vapes has already surpassed it multiple times.
Can't tell of this is actually serious or not. There are so many products that can cause harm you might as well just make a whitelist of allowed products at that point.
>You are supposing that prohibition won’t work. But it is the easiest and cheapest approach.
Yet it's never worked and always just created dangerous unregulated black markets that causes more deaths and health issues than regulation and as far as cheapest, I think you're forgetting the cost of enforcement of prohibition.
However, you could be driving down a major street in LA and see a highly advertised dispensary with neon lights and a guy dancing with a sign in the road, and it still could be an unlicensed dispensary.
Enforcement is practically nonexistent, but when they do crack down they like to make it a big show with a dozen cops with long arms and body armor pushing the kid at the counter working minimum wage to the ground, handcuffing everybody. Then they just fine the owner and close the store and the cuffs come off and everyone goes home. It's surreal.