Can you expand? I'm no expert - use linux daily but have always just used distro default file system. Linus' reasons for not integrating seems pretty sensible to me. Oracle certainly has form on the litigation front.
However the person he is replying to was not actually asking to have ZFS included in the mainline kernel. As noted above, that could never happen, and I believe that Linus is only bringing it up to deflect from the real issue. What they were actually asking is for Linux to revert a change that was made for no other reason than to hinder the use of ZFS.
Linux includes a system which restricts what APIs are available to each module based on the license of the module. GPL modules get the full set of APIs whereas non-GPL modules get a reduced set. This is done strictly for political reasons and has no known legal basis as far as I'm aware.
Not too long ago a change was made to reduce the visibility of a certain API required by ZFS so only GPL modules could use it. It's not clear why the change was made, but it was certainly not to improve the functionality of the kernel in any way. So the only plausible explanation to me is that it was done just to hinder the use of ZFS with Linux, which has been a hot political issue for some time now.
let me stop you right there. This being "Oracle," and its litigious nature, how can you truly be aware or sure?
Linus is literally saying there is a legal basis.
The functionality I'm describing has absolutely nothing to do with ZFS or Oracle in any way. If you really think the reach of Oracle is so great, then why not block all Oracle code from ever running on the OS? That seems to me to be just as justified as this change.
I can't make a informed opinion but my uninformed gut feeling is oracle have done what they are suing google for having done.
...to be fair, I would probably run that module.
If you don’t like that don’t use it.
One can interpret this as something legally significant, or an embarrassing private anecdote, or nothing substantial at all, maybe even just talk. However, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. Not the least since they could be the ones against Oracle's legal dept...
Saving and restoring registers is an astoundingly generic function. If you list all the kernel exports and sort by how much they make your work derivative, it should be near the very bottom.
It was always frowned upon:
> In other words: it's still very much a special case, and if the question was "can I just use FP in the kernel" then the answer is still a resounding NO, since other architectures may not support it AT ALL.
> Linus Torvalds, 2003
and these specific functions, that were marked as GPL were already deprecated for well over a decade.
He is not going to beg people outside kernel, whether he is allowed to change something that may break their module. On the contrary, they must live with any breackage that is thrown at them.
Again, that symbol was deprecated for well over a decade. How long does it take to be allowed to remove it?
> Again, that symbol was deprecated for well over a decade.
But not the GPL equivalent of the symbol. That symbol is not deprecated.
> It was always frowned upon
Whether it's frowned upon is a completely different issue from whether it intertwines your data so deeply with the kernel that it makes your code a derivative work subject to the GPL license. Which it doesn't.
> if the question was "can I just use FP in the kernel" then the answer is still a resounding NO, since other architectures may not support it AT ALL.
It's not actually using floating point, it's using faster instructions for integer math, and it has a perfectly viable fallback for architectures that don't have those instructions. But why use the slower version when there's no real reason to?
> and these specific functions, that were marked as GPL were already deprecated for well over a decade.
But the GPL export is still there, isn't it? It's not that functionality is being removed, it's that functionality is being shifted to only have a GPL export with no license-based justification for doing so.