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> Firefox replaces annoying notification request pop-ups with a more delightful experience, by default for all users. The pop-ups no longer interrupt your browsing, in its place, a speech bubble will appear in the address bar when you interact with the site.

This is fantastic! I had finally figured out I could turn this off in settings a while ago, glad it's now a default. I get so annoyed by this, annoying indeed!

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Well, it's delightfully stupid.

In a webapp where you present user a button to activate notifiactions, when the user clicks the button seemingly nothing happens in FF72 (user is focussed on a big enable notifiactions button in the web app and may not notice that some tiny gray icon wiggled a little in the address bar).

On a big screen a button in the middle of the screen is so far away from the address bar, that you don't see any change in the address bar at all in the peripheral vision.

So yeah, web apps that don't try to force the user to enable notifications are now punished for good behavior again.

EDIT: So it's not so stupid, see below.

How about web apps too not show annoying pop-ups which are pretty useless in most cases? Websites which show two pop-ups (custom pop-up followed by browser pop-up) are worse.

My website doesn't show any popups. I have a settings dialog that user can open and setup email and other notifications.

This will just not work anymore. I'll have to add some long winded FF specific explanation on what to do after clicking the button.

Anyway the FF UI is broken if user physically can't see any reaction from the browser after he requests notifications by clicking anywhere on the page.

If your users are clicking a button then it should actually show the permission prompt, unless you're losing the user interaction somewhere in the callback (by doing something async first)

https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/11/upcoming-notification-perm...

This is a frequent "mistake"/issue however, and we're working on a mitigation for it.

I'm doing this:

https://megous.com/dl/tmp/sub.txt

I guess this is then happening because I'm first checking if there's a subscription via `pushManager.getSubscription` before creating a new one in the event handler.

Yep, dropping getSubscription makes the popup appear again.

I receive these popups multiple times per day. It is rare that I actually want notifications from your web site (or mobile app). Messaging is one of the few use cases that comes to mind but even then I don't always want to be notified.

Do you mind me asking what your notifications are for?

For wahtever user wants, like mentions from others in comments. It's configurable.

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