‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany
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The absolute minimum bar to hit for a car that's even roughly the same price (say within 30% or so) is the range of the equivalent Tesla.
Bear in mind also, that this car would not give you access to Tesla superchargers. I'm currently on a road trip across Europe and if I had to use only the standard chargers it would have been far more logistically challenging.
So to make up for that it should have significantly _more_ range than a Tesla, because otherwise it's an inferior product in practice.
That isn't happening, and everything they make without that problem solved is literally a waste of energy. A little Nissan Micra type car can have a 100 mile range and that's fine, it's a city car.
A big sedan should be able to drive anywhere - if it can't, it's basically a stocking filler, it's going to be scrapped in 5-10 years.
It's not that simple. The Audi e-tron outsells both the Model X and the Model S in Europe:
http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/europe-november-2019.ht...
> Bear in mind also, that this car would not give you access to Tesla superchargers.
I always find this mindset strange. A closed charging network is not in your best interest as a driver. The question you should be asking is why can't you charge any EV on Tesla's chargers.
Here is a Volkswagen ID.3 charging side by side with a Tesla Model 3 on Ionity chargers, exactly as it should be:
Other charging networks allow Teslas to charge on them, so when will Tesla reciprocate and open their network to other EVs?
https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-n...
All CCS EVs can already plug in to European Tesla chargers.
The only thing preventing them from charging is Tesla.
I mean, if you're buying a car today, what matters is the charging network that exists, not the one you theoretically might like to exist. I take real trips, not dream ones.... :P
No, you're still trapped in this closed network mindset. What matters is that multiple, interoperable networks exist, which they do. The Internet is better than AOL.
Tesla's just not a team player. It's profoundly lame. It's fascinating that people defend it.
The other factor, of course, is infrastructure. What is the availability of Mercedes-compatible chargers, compared to Tesla?
Edit: I stand corrected on the price. I don't know about Germany, but pathartl's quoted US price, while quite a bit more than a Model 3, would be less than a Model X.
Is the goal to be green, or is it to root for Silicon Valley?
Tesla understands that the thing that new EV owners really want is to feel secure (read: range and chargers so they're not stranded) and to have their newfangled electric cars feel "futuristic" (read: spartan interior, big touchscreen, autopilot, OTA software updates).
Audi, Jaguar, Mercedes, et. al think that new EV owners want the same driving experience they had in their gas cars, only with an electric drivetrain. So they made their cars heavier in their pursuit of making the cars quiet, which they accomplished quite well. They preserved much of the body styling at the expense of drag because they assumed customers would want that brand identity. They targeted the "non power users," in that they held back a significant chunk of the battery from the consumer (~20% for the e-tron) so that consumers in hot climates couldn't wreck the battery by habitually charging all the way to 100% and letting the pack sit like that, which destroys lithium ion battery chemistry.
Tesla on the other hand spent their complexity budget for the Model 3 on extracting as much range as possible with as little expense as they could. As a result, the car is significantly lighter, and anyone who owns a Model 3 can attest to the fact that there's a lot of road noise. This is immediately solvable with heavier materials, but Tesla understands that the first batch of Model 3 owners strongly prefer the range over the creature comfort. And that the first batch of Model 3 owners are less likely to wreck their battery packs by habitually letting them sit overcharged for long periods of time. So they can expose the full battery packs to the consumer and get that 20% range boost over competitors who hold that back from the consumer.
2020/2021 is starting to get interesting with the Ford Mach E, the Volvo Polestar 2, the LEAF Plus, the second-year Hyundai Kona Electric and Kia Niro Electric, and the updated Bolt, together with the very rapidly expanding Electrify America rapid charging network. Tesla will continue to optimize for range and will likely keep a "stats lead" on the competition, but as range anxiety starts to be alleviated the second generation of EV converts may shift their demands away from range and toward other characteristics of the vehicle such as the interior and road noise isolation. It will be interesting to see where that goes.
Also I wonder if road noise could be combated by active noise canceling.
as for the EV market in general. I don't think Mercedes, Audi, and maybe even VW; parent of Audi, as whole take the whole range number seriously. To them they are being forced into an platform that they do not want and never would have gotten to. It is very much likely no governments would have ever pushed BEV adoption if Tesla had not come along. We would have forever been stuck in the sub 100 mile range cars with some incremental range improvements to convince us they were improving year after year.
Do you have any evidence for this? It's a fact that most people drive fewer than 50 miles per day, and most can charge at home. I'd also bet that most EV owners have a second vehicle which has an ICE.
I just don't think there's a market for this here. No one in my age range (mid thirties) or income level (SWE, comfy living in large German tech focused city) would think of buying a Mercedes Benz, let alone an electric one.
For one, these things are expensive especially new, which the electric one would be. If you're looking at it from the young-environmentally-conscious angle, I don't think there's any trust towards Mercedes Benz to be doing this for the right 'reasons,' i.e. not actually caring about the environment, or going about it in a bad way.
They are scramblin' to keep up after sleeping through the electrical car revolution and have nothing new to offer. Their approach and entire business model is deeply entrenched in traditional gas cars.
Even if someone like me could afford the car (due to good job and income matched to levels in expensive city), by living in said city, they wouldn't need a car to go anywhere!
I just don't see people who could afford an electric Mercedes buying one because people like that think global warming is a hoax, hate Greta, and buy diesel cars out of protest.
I'm almost surprised they sold that many cars, actually.
I wonder why it is failing /that/ hard though. Failure to deliver value for their money? SUV + Electric not a good fit for the local market?
Who labelled it a Tesla killer? I don't see a source in this article. It's simply a Tesla fan being self-congratulatory.
1. I'm long TSLA, through a couple ETFs.
2. This is projection. There's a constant parade of accusations of "Big oil FUD" whenever someone says anything remotely negative. Meanwhile, it is known that Tesla, and Elon personally, pay PR firms, private investigators and astroturfers (sorry, "social media influencers") to control narrative. Read the lawsuit depositions and financial disclosures.
Also I really doubt it's an order of magnitude (10x) cheaper.
http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/germany-november-2019.h...
I'd say the Volkswagen ID.3 will top the German EV market this year. It'll be interesting to see its sales figures at year end.
220 mi / 16 mpg for GLS 550 (similar size?) = 13 gallons * 5.25 euro/gallon = 72 euro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_EQC https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/40761.shtml https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Germany/gasoline_prices
Germany is also densely populated, which means many can't charge at home and might need to pay a higher rate for electricity somewhere else.
The GLC 200d uses 5.2 L/100 km (best efficiency). Diesel is € 1.266/L. 5.2 * 1.266 = € 6.5832 / 100 km
So yea in DE it may be more cost beneficial to drive diesel than electric. If you get a GLC 300 using gasoline it goes up to € 9.798 / 100 km.
"Today, nearly a quarter of all electricity produced in Germany still comes from burning lignite, often called brown coal, one of the dirtiest fossil fuels, making Germany the _world's leader_ in the mining and burning of lignite, according to the International Energy Agency"