Caffeine attenuates high-fat-high-sucrose lipogenesis and body fat accumulation
sciencedirect.com
sciencedirect.com
IIUC, obesity is bad partly because it's a sign of excess caloric nutrients in the body and therefore chronically high blood sugar and triglycerides (and partly for other reasons, like inflammatory signalling by fat tissues). I don't know the relative significance of these different factors, but I have to wonder if this effect of caffeine is hiding one obvious sign of problems while exacerbating the problems themselves.
ETA: it looks like they found that caffeine also had blood-triglyceride-reducing effects, partly by reducing lipogenesis. I would think this would shift all of the burden to blood sugar. I don't see anything about blood sugar levels.
ETA: I did some further research. Caffeine does acutely raise blood sugar levels[1], but caffeine intake is inversely-correlated with T2D[2]. The reason doesn't seem to be known yet, and I don't know if anyone's ruled out the obvious confounder that people who drink more coffee drink less Coke.
1: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014067366...
But this is not a refutation. Nutrition is confusing because we’re not used to looking at lots of tiny effects adding up to something large. (Eg. High saturated fat intake causes about a 20% increase in heart disease mortality.)
Just like many other effects, this one is small and requires statistics to prove.
This. I think is always more complicated than we think.
And one thing that many times is left out of the discussion is that some foods may have different effects on one individual than others. I was once looking for videos that talk about this and after watching too many, the only one found was :
“What is the best diet for humans? | Eran Segal | TEDxRuppin” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z03xkwFbw4
When explaining their studies, at one point he said “It was not just about the food, it was also about the person eating it”
I didn't not see many fat people let me tell you.
I suspect that People who "need" coffee a lot, dont sleep properly which has a much stronger relationship to weight gain than caffeine.
certainly if I get back into bad habits like late nights and using coffee as a crutch i put weight back on.
Not true. That was thoroughly disproved over the last 10 years of studies. (Sugar and industrial seed oils are the real problem)
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/news-womens-he...
http://www.drbriffa.com/2010/01/15/two-major-studies-conclud...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5437600/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4532752/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118617
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30084105
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2017/apr/artery-clogging-sat...
People throw around this idea as if it was simple.
Just the concept of calorie, which is bound to water temperature changes, is at most a vague second or third order approximation of a body’s energy intake. Petrol would be of super high calorie for instance, but it makes no sense for the body.
We have no clear idea of what any food gives as energy to a body, nor how each body reacts differently to any food, nor how much of that goes out, when that potentially stored energy is used in what amount (would CO2 production measurement help in this regard ? even if so but then it might be get rid of in unexpected ways)
So while the in/out idea may not be completely wrong, it’s effectively useless to anyone seriously thinking about diets.
If you absorb more calories than your metabolism burns, then you gain weight. Variables are:
- Calorie content of food.
- Ability of your body to absorb those calories. This includes what form the calories are in (petrol, obviously, doesn't work), but also may include your gut biome, and perhaps other person-specific issues.
- Your activity level (not just exercise, but non-exercise physical movement as well).
- What your food does to your metabolism.
Sure, if you eat too much of the wrong things, it hurts. If you exercise, it helps. But it's much more complicated than that.
No, it isn't. The biochemistry controlling nutrient uptake or release by different tissues is incredibly complex and nowhere near fully understood, which is part of the reason that studies like this one are interesting. We don't really know how any given calorie surplus or deficit maps to subcutaneous fat vs. visceral fat vs. thermogenesis vs. muscle vs. fatty liver. We don't really know why some people develop T2D at a normal weight, some people only develop it if they're obese, and some people never develop it despite being morbidly obese.
Pretending that this is a simple and solved problem doesn't really help anybody except authors of diet books.
People with bowel issues for example might actually consume vastly more calories than their peers but not gain as much weight due to their body being less efficient in converting caloric intake into fat. People with a fast metabolism might burn more calories per day at rest than others as well, and some of the complex interactions could involve interactions with caffeine.
If people are gaining weight rapidly it's always a good idea to look at the whole picture rather than just caloric intake because that can mask the true underlying causes.
FTFY
(of course I’m discounting weight gain due to fluid accumulation if you have circulatory problems or ascites)
Caffeine is much harsher, and too much makes me nervous. And after a while, I'm tired, yet still too buzzed to sleep.
If you take too many NSAIDS and you also drink too much coffee, you can get a nice little double-whammy.
So find a suitable psychiatrist.
I'm not sure what this entails. You just tell your psychiatrist you have alertness issues and they prescribe modafinil? That doesn't seem like how it works
And then wait 4-6 months for your appointment.
The -afinils I have to space out or combine with an anti-histamine and dose very carefully. When I didn't, I got very itchy skin like an allergy (and I've never had those before, though there is family history).
Never tried Ritalin or Mydayis, though some of my friends swear by it.
What's your experience been like?
Any kind of skin reaction to -afinils would scare me off using them entirely, due to the link with Steven-Johnsons syndrome (warning: do not google, or use a text-only browser to do so)
And you know how it is, you can get SJS from Ibuprofen and Naproxen. You can't live in fear of low probability occurrences. But you're right in that it's worth making that decision in an informed manner, and keeping my doctors informed of what I intend is part of that.
'reduced in force, effect, or physical thickness.'
I'm not saying we shouldn't study this stuff. I'm not saying it isn't valuable. I understand why it's a difficult field to experiment in.
But I still don't care. I ignore health news like the plague. I'm 36, fit, Lowe body far, can lift a fair bit of weight. Moderation and a little common sense really does work here.
> 3.2. Caffeine, independently of its origin, abrogated lipid accumulation via regulation of lipogenic genes in vitro
> Mate tea and fractionated caffeine and decaffeinated samples were assayed for their anti-adipogenic potential in 3T3-L1 adipocytes (Fig. 3). Synthetic caffeine (SC) and caffeine extracted (CO2 super-critical extraction) from coffee (CC) were also evaluated. All samples but DM [decaffeinated mate] significantly (p < 0.05) reduced lipid accumulation (from 20.6 to 40.7%) (Fig. 3A).
We already knew caffeine had various effects on fat metabolism, so the most interesting part of the study is probably the "but not other phytochemicals in mate tea" part.