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I was under the impression redux is basically a message bus plus some sugar. Is that wrong?

No you’re right. I find the comments deriding Redux as some bloated beast to be amusing...it’s just a thing that lets you read and update a plain javascript object that different parts of your app can access.

People making things more complicated than they are is really a disease in the dev community.

> it’s just a thing that lets you read and update a plain javascript object that different parts of your app can access

Doesn't require a library, let alone an ecosystem of libraries.

Why implement this functionality from scratch when a tried and tested implementation exists.

To eliminate a dependency.

The trade off makes no sense

So implementing everything from scratch has more benefits than a well maintained and documented dependency?

If it's simple, yeah. A redux-type store does not have to be complicated. there are certainly performance optimizations to using redux versus rolling your own, but that would only happen in very large applications.

I agree that you can roll your own store. You'll miss lot of free functionality and the dev tools, but maybe it's not stuff you need.

I also agree that introducing a dependency at every opportunity comes with serious drawbacks.

Every situation is unique of course. In my case: At work, I value code that is more standardised so that I get less bugs, documentation / best patterns and crucially easier on-boarding process. For a personal project, I would definitely consider rolling out my own implementation, even just for the learning it comes with.

Yes, I agree. There are trade-offs to be considered. Those are definitely benefits to using Redux, for sure.

I am kind of confused, because I view HN as a strong community in terms of development skill but the comments here on Redux are really surprising..

That’s one way to think of it.

The op of this thread is not wrong but the misuse has more to do with the level of discipline the average JavaScript developer employs than anything.

With great power comes great responsibility!

I subscribe to a different philosophy. The whole point of an abstraction is to encourage good behavior. This is how abstractions are able to be leveraged across large teams and organizations to good effect. Abstractions that do the opposite are, in fact, to blame.

"Good interfaces are easy to use properly, and hard to use improperly" should be the bread-and-butter mantra of any library author, and Redux violates this repeatedly.

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