What were the creepiest declassified documents of the last decade?
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an aside, I once recently wrote an email to Noam Chomsky. One of my questions was something like "do you think the relationship betweeen state and corporate entities has changed recently in comparison to the Vietnam era?".
The answer I received back was (something like) "Corporations have more power than ever. Read through the Panama Paper leaks and the surrounding news."
It was eye-opening just how far reaching that stuff goes, and for as little outrage as it generated. I totally agree with you.
I chaulk it up to the publics' 'outrage-fatigue' at the time. Or at least I hope that's why it got so little attention.
The plot points that were meant to evoke the most outrage were things that were already fraud or super sketchy, regardless of the tax shelter stuff. It's like, "Can you believe that someone would enter a contract and then not honor their side of the deal and then fly outside of the U.S.'s jurisdiction?!" And then they make it sound like it's a tax law issue and not a criminal getting on an airplane issue.
It is about suing countries because they do something that effects the profits of a company. An example is mandating graphic pictures on cigarette packaging.
Why do you think this has stopped?
Corporate interests have always steamrolled over small and large entities in their way.
examples: oil companies or military contractors and countries (including ours). walmart or telcos/isps and local governments.
Hopefully there are enough good eggs in power to counteract this.
What's the evidence things are moving in one direction long term?
> CIA: Hey Mr. Seer, please look into Mars a million years back in this coordinates.
> Seer: Oh, I see a pyramid and aliens and shit.
> CIA: Awesome. Here is a check for your services.
Edit: The actual transcript here https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788...
Almost guaranteed they're still doing experiments like this.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project#Closure_(1995...
I personally think telling the public the program was shut down and didn't have great results could easily be a red herring.
Truth be told - if there was a lot of success from Psyops programs, and you were the US military, would you want a lot of people to know?
The way it went in history is that the US started with it to bait the USSR into spending money into a worthless project (which succeeded). Then, the US replied to that with "what if it is real?" There was still a lot of belief in "the paranormal" back then; nowadays we know much more about the techniques behind paranormal scam artists.
I've seen various documentaries on these programs (including about remote viewing and Ingo Swann [1], a scientologist), and from my memory the results of these programs were lackluster. Sure, there were some hits, as there are hits with cold reading and guessing.
... is this a serious interview? How does something like this even happen?
Edit:
> MON: (I think that he's losing his ability to move accurately, but he is attracted to things that are interesting, so we're going to go with his own, we're going to let him go ahead and explore what seems to be interesting to him rather than move on the targets indicated here.)*
I'm not sure if I'm shocked or confused...
Is this a continuation of the Remove Viewing programs as discussed in 'The Men Who Stare at Goats'?
For real, I am astonished and confused by this.
[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/...
> The reports also omitted the names of more than 90 percent of the people who were interviewed for the project. While a few officials agreed to speak on the record to SIGAR, the agency said it promised anonymity to everyone else it interviewed to avoid controversy over politically sensitive matters.
> ...
> The Post has asked a federal judge to force SIGAR to disclose the names of everyone else interviewed, arguing that the public has a right to know which officials criticized the war and asserted that the government had misled the American people. The Post also argued the officials were not whistleblowers or informants, because they were not interviewed as part of an investigation.
One of the key problems identified by this report is that military and government officials didn't want to hear bad news. People on the ground felt like they had to paint an overly rosy picture. The SIGAR report seems like an attempt to address that by enabling them to speak anonymously, but the Post doesn't seem concerned that publicizing identities may hamstring such internal government investigations in the future.
They were right, most Americans were wrong, and I don't know if we'll ever fully reckon with that fact.
On that note, I hope people are listening to Sarah Kendzior's work these days.
It's a very sobering and disturbing report, available on youtube.
> "Behavioral control was limited to distances of 100 to 200 yards, at most," they write in the letter
> The letter writer characterizes the work with remote-controlling dogs as a success, describing "a demonstrated procedure for controlling the free-field behaviors of an unrestrained dog."
That is pretty creepy. That is 1960s, and assuming CIA hasn't evolved a moral compass since, I imagine they might not have completely given up on the idea and it's interesting to think what it might look like today with all nano and wireless technology.
I also imagine if they would, they wouldn't exactly want that to be public knowledge.
It's important to remember the military is years ahead of the rest of us, tech-wise.
I can't imagine, really, the amount of crazy shit we're not supposed to see.
The idea that the military has a vast arsenal of high tech gadgets and sci-fi weapons is a myth created by Hollywood.
The irony is that Afghanistan is the biggest proof by example of our own foreign policy doctrine, by way of ignoring it entirely.
You lost me. There are gulfs of differing understanding that are just hard to cross and I just can't see across that one. War criminal. Can you see back? As weird from either side, I'm sure.
Kissinger engineered our foreign policy for three decades, either directly, through mentorship, or through his writing and teaching. His voice is a powerful one, and if you are interested in contemporary geopolitics you should read his books and listen to his speeches. World Order is a fantastic text.
You don't have to agree with him.
Includes the stuff of nightmares. Child abuse, satanic rituals. A “school” with underground tunnels. Fire alarm switch in classrooms for alerting other rooms.
> unsure if children had been kidnapped
> children were extremely hungry and urinated and defecated on the floor during questioning
> states they were under the control of the “Game Caller” in DC [name classified]
> each classroom has on/off fire alarm switch that was used to alert other classrooms.
> 45 foot tunnel under school connecting school with nearby triplex
You can’t make this stuff up. And that’s not even all of the disturbing things. Excuse the name in the link[1] but it’s a good break down.
And the worst part about all of this? The whole thing was closed down as it was “stepping on the CIA’s toes” — that’s right. Where are the children???
https://mobile.twitter.com/davenyviii/status/118786556347911...
I mean, I could.
As far as anyone can tell, a lot of people did make up allegations strikingly similar to these [1], and the evidence that people can make stuff up without realizing it is fairly compelling [2] [3].
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse
https://groovyhistory.com/louie-louie-kingsmen-fbi-investiga...
This was the height of the Satanic Panic. Without the CIA papers it's hard to tell if this was another example of the FBI investigating what was ultimately nothing, some facts planted on purpose by the CIA, or what.
I can't personally come to the same conclusion. This is a documented, declassified event of a pretty dark and unsettling case that was closed directly because it was a CIA operation. That's in the signed documents by the FBI, it's not a theory.
What types of CIA operation scenarios can happen here that make this less unsettling? A benevolent daycare operation for employees? What does the CIA do?
The CIA's involvement could have been anything. Could have been an international cult they were looking into, an experiment to try and get kids to summon The Horned God, or a brainwashing experiment, or they could have been involved because some diplomat's kid was there and they wanted to influence them. My point is that without the CIA docs there's no way to tell what was really going on or how nefarious this really was.
A lot of them were Soviet disinformation campaigns; blaming the CIA was the SOP. Doesn't help that the CIA does do all sorts of weird shit, though...
"FMSF catalyzed a 180 degree turn in global media coverage of childhood sexual abuse so that, by the mid-1990s, news stories about CSA focused predominantly on the threat of false allegations ... The notion that CSA memories are particularly untrustworthy has become a widespread 'common sense' that destabilizes police investigations and prosecutions, and obstructs access to healthcare and social supports."
Given those associations, and the surreal nature of the claims, it's hard not to blame a lot of liberal-leaning people for reflexively dismissing them.
But Epstein's recent death, and the facts surrounding his case seem to indicate that many of those theories once readily dismissed as the product of fevered minds may actualy need to be reevaluated, even if they only contain a kernel of the truth individually.
That didn't actually exist. Two separate excavations never found signs of anything under the school except for a small crawl space someone had dumped some trash into.
The mistake you're making here is assuming that all of the accusations in that report are corroborated. They aren't. Most of it is just a collection of claims made by assorted people, not anything to do with actually investigating those claims.
I'd love to learn more.
> The contents of the “tunnels” further support the likelihood that Stickel had found an old trash pit. Stickel listed many objects that he found (pps. 54, 70, 75). These included sections of boards, wood fragments, a variety of metal objects, an inner tube, numerous bottles, TV antenna wire, tin cans, scissors, eye glasses, exposed film, cinder blocks, plywood, tar paper, roofing nails, four trash-filled pots (three of metal, one of crockery, the largest about fourteen inches tall, all in disrepair), a one-gallon glass food jar, 35 to 40 rusted tin can fragments, a crockery lid, an old medicine bottle, various glass fragments from a large jar, a small “pestle-like stone,” a rusted metal rod, and 60 to 70 rusted metal can fragments.
> More likely, however, is that the alarm switches were placed relatively high on the walls because staff did not want children to set off false fire alarms. The archeologist seems to have considered neither this ordinary reason that fire alarm switches had been placed relatively high on the wall, nor why the switches had been connected to a bell whose location was outside the preschool’s front office door where parents and others entering the building surely would have heard the alarm’s ring.
http://tedgunderson.info/index_htm_files/McMartin%20Scientif...
you will find the exact same pages as included in the finders fbi file. Even if you choose to believe the report, this demonstrates that it didn't actually have anything to do with the finders and in any case was not done for, or by, the fbi or police. it was (presumably) included in the file because it had similar claims to ones made against the finders.
I have read the entire finders fbi file. Repeatedly there are the fbi and police fielding claims that the finders were satanists, or that they were sexually abusing the children, but in every case they document they found no actual evidence of this.
the claim of an fbi cover-up was documented in the fbi file (that would be weird if you think about it) but this claim was made by a single junior member of the manhattan beach police, and is never repeated or corroborated anywhere.
the claim that the finders were tied up in the intelligence community seems to be based on uncorroborated claims as well. nothing in the document or linked resources supports it.
I hope you find this helpful, I had multiple of my friends bring up this fbi release as "proof" that SRA was real all along but after reading every page of the file I just don't think there's anything compelling in there.
What do you mean by that?
With regards to the last point, they include that the tunnel entrants and exits were as described by the children, suggesting they weren’t making it up.
Except that, you know, nobody ever actually found those. The school had an unbroken concrete slab under it with holes just big enough for sewer pipes.
> "fire alarms"
The "fire alarms" were... fire alarms.
https://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/bsi/article/viewFile/...
> More likely, however, is that the alarm switches were placed relatively high on the walls because staff did not want children to set off false fire alarms. The archeologist seems to have considered neither this ordinary reason that fire alarm switches had been placed relatively high on the wall, nor why the switches had been connected to a bell whose location was outside the preschool’s front office door where parents and others entering the building surely would have heard the alarm’s ring.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Cables
Wiki: The China Cables are a small cache of secret Chinese government documents contained in a telegram, 4 bulletins and one court document from 2017. The cables were leaked by exiled Uighurs to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and published on November 24, 2019. The telegram details the first known operations manual for running the 1,300 to 1,400 mass internment camps of Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang, which China denied until 2018 and since calls re-education camps.
There are only about 12 Million Uyghurs to stat with. Thats 1 Camp for every ~ 10K Uyghurs!
According to wiki there are 1 million – 3 million detainees.
One day apparently it spat out 24k names. They managed to imprison about 9k the following day.
Naturally the government know quite a few things about what you’re up to and this is a factor.
Going to the mosque is a supposedly the easy way in. Not sure in what xinjiang city the mosques are still accessible. All I could find was locked down ones with all kinds of barricades and monitoring devices.. I would be surprised if there was in Xinjiang unlike eat china anyone left who would dare to go to a mosque.
Some of the detainees are used by the state as force labor and leased out to companies. It’s speculated that this demand also can causes mass detainment.
One in every 5 or 6 Uighurs could be in a camp right now Yet maybe only 1 in 1e-07 Uighur might have done so called "terror", these however are in jail or dead, not in a camp.
The "camps" are not part of the Penal system in China. Camp is not for the radical. [0]
Merly handsome former goat farmers who operated little blue cell phone stores in the city and love to drink tea or maybe sell steamed food to others who operate little blue cellphone stores.
A few hands full of the maybe ~100 terrorists (2019-1992 that i could find documented in 15 min) either did not survive camputere or were legally convicted by the authorities and executed or are in inside the penal system, some forever.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_system_in_China "These camps are reportedly operated outside the legal system"
(the ~21Mil Xinjiangies are 48% Uyghurs and 41% Han)
More reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Quanguo Chen Quanguo is a Chinese politician and current Communist Party Secretary of Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region and a member of the 19th Politburo of the Communist Party of China..
> "8. Hitler might commit suicide. This is the most plausible outcome. Not only has he frequently threatened to commit suicide, but from what we know of his psychology it is the most likely possibility. It is probably true that he has an inordinate fear of death, but being an hysteric he could undoubtedly screw himself up into the super-man character and perform the deed. In all probability, however, it would not be a simple suicide. He has much too much of the dramatic for that and since immortality is one of his dominant motives we can imagine that he would stage the most dramatic and effective death scene he could possibly think of..."
Though to be fair, the passage in context didn't so much as predict suicide but warned about a staged suicide's propagandizing impact on future generations.
I'd like to know how they got to that conclusion.
Apart from that, the way he committed suicide actually wasn't dramatic:
"The will was a short document stating that they had chosen death over capitulation, and that they were to be cremated [..]" [1] which is how it happened.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_will_and_testament_of_Ado...
1. Dies of natural causes - "remote possibility." Best outcome if he died of a common disease to break 'the myth of his super-natural origins.'
2. Seeks asylum - "extremely unlikely." They suspected he'd restrain himself from escaping.
3. Killed in battle - "real possibility."
4. Assassinated - "undesirable" because of martyrdom.
5. Goes insane - "has many characteristics which border on the schizophrenic."
6. Seized in revolt - "unlikely"
7. Captured - "most unlikely possibility of all."
8. Commits suicide - "most plausible."
Some smart people there, but they're not fortune tellers and didn't claim to be.
The PDF: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP78-02646...
Cold Case Hammarskjöld https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9352780/
It talks about how CIA/MI5 killed UN Secretary General in the 60s, but uncovers/interviews people involved with 'SAIMR' a secretive institution rumored to be under the UK, which was using HIV as a means for achieving white-supremacy in apartheid South Africa by maliciously infecting the black population.
The reviews often dismiss this as 'satirical fiction', but quite frankly I don't buy that. It's just insane how little we know about the evil forces that the state wrests... and even the though of an organized racial genocide so many years after WWII is just insane.