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https://bestof2019.johanronsse.be just shows an empty page.

(oh how far we've come - a simple best of list requires javascript)

Thanks for the quick link. Complaining about a web page not working with js disabled is just noise, especially on a 'made with {framework}' post.

I tend to agree; however, it's really easy to make a site like this work without JS.

Edited to add: to be clear, I mean while still using the framework.

Is it? You either you need some kind of server side JavaScript rendering (pita to get right imo) or you need to create a complete copy of the website that’s statically rendered (and replaced if the user has JS enabled?)

Have a look at Sapper, which is a framework built around Svelte that makes the server-side rendering pretty easy. I worked with a next.js SSR project recently and that was an absolute trainwreck, but Svelte/Sapper, while not perfect, is pretty nice.

You have to be a little careful about the interactions if you really care about it working with no JS (e.g. have an on:submit for a form and then also have a server-side route that it can POST to) but it's not too bad really.

You can find versions that support Javascript at http://bestof2018.johanronsse.be/ and http://bestof2017.johanronsse.be/ . I used a static site generator for this.

This is clearly a technology exploration.

How can I explore new technologies if I impose limits that others don't set for themselves? The job market asks for JS skills. Look at my conclusion at the bottom of my post: I state that this might be a technology downgrade instead of upgrade.

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