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> A statement as "no reasonable expectation of privacy": why not? Just because people could record and film you doesn't mean it's allowed or that it's ok

In the US, it is allowed and is OK, though. Legally, you do not have a right to privacy if you are in a public location as a hallway in an apartment building would be considered. Whether or not it is a nice or considerate behavior is moot when it comes to the law.

Edit: it seems findings have gone both ways in the US for expectation of privacy in apartment buildings: https://illinoislawreview.org/print/vol-2018-no-3/fourth-ame...

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I understand that it's US and per law, but "no reasonable expectation of privacy" is more of a judgement. It should always mention that it's due to the law.

The statement probably is entirely reasonable if you're born in the US (as you're used to it). Other countries have other expectations of what's reasonable and normal.

The often repeated "no reasonable expectation of privacy" in a public place to me is entirely odd. It's also something that could change (whether such a change/perception is in e.g. NL or in the US).

Technology makes things possible that weren't possible before at all. Meaning, you can store camera recordings for a ridiculously long time. From my buildings security (again: NL) I understood that legally they cannot store such recordings over 28 days. Above that things become difficult (possible but quite a hassle).

In the past people could see what you're doing in a public space. But nowadays you can easily be recorded and that recording could be stored forever. That was never the case before. As a result, things such as "no reasonable expectation of privacy" should change with the changed circumstances, IMO.

In US privacy (case) law. "Reasonable expectation of privacy" is a specific term that determines whether it's okay to record things. There is a lot of case law around what does and doesn't imply a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Hence people are using the term in a specific legal way, rather than saying "I don't think it is reasonable to expect privacy here", they are saying "I think legal precedent would make a judge rule there is no 'reasonable expectation of privacy' here".

Hey bkor, thanks for the interesting information on CCTV laws in the Netherlands. I am curious from a photographic perspective. What if I visit NL and I take some photos of buildings and happen to capture pictures of the public? (Its on my list of places to see someday) Can you not post those photos publicly online without consent?

Generally much of the US protections for photography of the public reach pretty far, nice legal outline here http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf

I found this fun guide I think others would enjoy while I was looking up this topic: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Country_specific_...

Sadly I don't find much on NL would be cool to build a chart to contrast and compare laws in each nation as they pertain to video/photo/audio recording in public.

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