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Russia Successfully Disconnected from the Internet

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29 pointsmikro2nd15 comments

I have noticed that Russians have a different view of things.

For instance, every airplane made by the Russians is explicitly dual-use between civilian and military purposes. That is why they all have removable nose cones; so that the nose cone can be removed and packed with the military avionics needed at a moment's notice. While in the USA this is not done.

Russia has an economy smaller than Italy and fewer people than Germany + France. To have any aspirations as a global power, it needs to double up on everything it's got.

Actually the idea of decoupling is quite interesting. It enables you among others to undo & fix the biggest mistakes of the current internet... for whatever that means... Besides having one common internet for everyone contradicts the idea of diversification - if that is the message of the day.

> it needs to double up on everything it's got

Fixing things have always been costly.

The concept freedom & democracy as understood in the west is... just a concept of western cultures. It is still rather new, just ~200 years old, albeit very interesting, indeed. I personally enjoy it, but I genuinely don't know if it's durable and good for masses.

The race is long and the end open.

>The concept freedom & democracy as understood in the west is... just a concept of western cultures.

Not to mention a heavily self-serving hypocritical concept, as they were the first to have 2 world wars, billions of people non-voting second class citizens / working slaves in their colonies, meddling with foreign governments, being best pals with dictators in Africa, Asia, and Latin America, and so on...

The concern is all theater...

Does anyone have any technical details - did they masquerade or null route actual IPs? Did they intercept dns queries (all port 53, block 53, just intercept the main dns providers)? Did DoH fail?

Yeah, so here are the technical details: nothing happened, all of this is just a meeting of old incompetent people from gov-related agencies and some representatives from ISP companies, that's a farce. They made a physical test area and simulated attacks on energy companies, hospitals etc.

Technically they want to create autonomous internet and they claim they can 'unplug' if needed, in reality tho these are basically just words.

https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/23/12/2019/5e00beb39...

Edit: most of these simulated attacks are unrelated to internet - attacks on SS7, Diameter etc.

Thanks, I have a branch office in Moscow which has one IPSec link back to HQ via the Internet, didn’t go down (brief packet loss and latency spike incident on the 22nd but only for a minute)

Yeah don't worry, any issues are just a coincidence, as they only had access to a test area that they constructed, moreover, no one will let them do anything (probably and hopefully) because they can screw everything up - from hospitals to defense systems.

Given the cyber offensive capabilities of modern major nation states it’s unlikely to help much in protecting against deliberate attacks (see stuxnet). So I wonder what the true purpose of this is.

Getting rid of GAFAM.

In the interest of the people everywhere in the world, there should always be dial-up access points available, in different countries.

The "national interest", for whichever country, should always be the people's interest; and restricted information has never been of any benefit except for those restricting it

Do modems work internationally any more? With voip compression on international (and inter regional, and increasing last mile) doesn’t that make modems more problematic.

Satellite internet will become more common and thus harder to block

Good job, Russia. Many of us are rooting for you.

Interesting, may I ask why you are rooting for them?

It provides a counterbalance. Anyone who's ever played competitive sports, wishes for a competent sparring partner.

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