UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

I'm guessing this is part of the campaign, or else maybe alien tech? [1] I'll assume its to make someone else think we have tech we may not have.

[0] https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29232/navys-advanced-a...

[1] https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/evjwkw/bob-lazar-says-the...

Similarly, the stealth fighter was in operation for 20 years before the public knew about it.

It's not unrealistic to consider top secret tech as a possible explanation.

One counter point is usually: If we had tech this amazing, we'd be putting it to use commercially. However this tech might be autonomous and might need to be considering the G forces supposedly at play.

What could be the case is that the observed tic-tac UFO's are real alien craft, about which word is now leaking out, but the US military is now using the confusion surrounding them for their own purposes. Hey, why not use the confusion for our own advantage.

In past decades whenever military pilot reported UFO they were laughed at, sent to psychologist, evaluated, sent behind the desk. Other pilots knew and when they saw something really weird they have kept it for themselves.

Then the higher ups panicked. If they don't report our drones, they will not report Chinese or Russian drones either. We have hundreds and thousands of eyes in the sky but they will not report because they are afraid to speak.

So they came up with a campaign. They started to publish official UFO footage and started more openly talk about it to show pilots that it is now ok to talk about UFO. Don't be afraid pilots, if you see something strange jus tell us, we take it seriously now.

There are no aliens. Videos you saw are created or modified to look legit, and officially supported or confirmed.

there are more than enough idiots and suckers to persuade. this is the problem with democrazy. it's just one method for securing good leadership and it often can be systemically hacked. one way is to dumb down the population and feeed them nonsense. it works.

I think that they will teleport here and be minuscule and invisible (at first).

We have stealth techonology, don't we?

Inertia control is not needed if you can create a field. The problem with acceleration is that it needs to be transmited from the engine to the human body. That happens through the seat in planes or rockets.

But if you were able to create a field that uniformly affected all the molecules of everything into the ship, including human bodies, you could perform sudden turns without crushing the crew.

We have a tough time detecting asteroids until they've already flown by, I have a hard time believing we would spot a ship years in advance

The natural correlate from a citizen perspective is that the government is hiding something (i.e. UFOs). Of course it is, that's the point. But then the point becomes less of a point the less justification there is for wartime behavior, which then leads to increased speculation that the government is hiding something which at some points boils over into widespread public sentiment.

Then at that point there is both incentive to do selective release and for the media to cover it since they know readers want to read about UFOs, etc.

I think that's the Ockham's razor here.

Another question to ask ourselves is “how much evidence is enough to convince ourselves that aliens exist?” Namely: is this FLIR video enough?

Lots of people are talking about it. What's the problem with them also saying "yeah this happened and we have no idea what it is". It seems to me that the truth is probably exactly that.

I thought it was well established that AATIP existed to be a means for a well-connected paranoid billionaire to have his senator funnel him millions in government contracts to keep his floundering mismanaged space hotel business afloat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ

Here's a short clip from it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIG-i2WCfg

He's really knowledgeable, has a ton of flight experience and carefully details everything his and the other pilots see from their aircraft.

[1] https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strang...

All of the above, and probably a bit more we're not really privy to.

https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ

  > What I find kinda interesting about this is the HUD apparently
  > being able to "lock on" or track or whatever the object.

The tracking devices do not track regularly-flying objects so well, so how was this not-by-the-laws-of-physics object tracked? Because the object was dirt on the lens. This has been proven by several different methods. Firstly, the object stays on the same spot on the screen. Second, it rotates when the camera gimbal locks and rotates. Third, the filename of the published file is actually "GimbalLock" or something of the sort.

There are various techniques and countermeasures, but it’s not alien technology.

"Let's turn off the stealth systems and see if they keep regarding us as divinities like they did thousands years ago, keep attempting to shoot at us like they did in the last 50 years, or have evolved in the meantime therefore they're now ready to be welcomed in the galactic federation. Although from watching their entertainment and news feeds I'd bet this starship they won't be in another 3000 years".

And the FLIR was tracking the target moving. If it was a piece of dust stuck on, it would have looked as if it were moving the same speed of the aircraft, wouldn't it?

The object had been observed before the pilot in the link flew. He was told to BOLO - be on the lookout - for this object.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-s-x-59-quiet-superso...

This is crucial because modern aerial warfare involves missile armaments effective at these distances, so much of it is a game of who can find and acquire a target lock on their enemy first.

These phenomena are interesting because (1) multiple sensor systems from multiple platforms/locations consistently tracked the object in ways that corroborate each other, and (2) other pilots have actually flown close enough to report visual contact.

> No. I was more concentrated on looking at the FLIR. It was inside of 20 miles. You’re not going to see it with your own eyes until probably 10 miles, and then you’re not going to be able to visually track it until you’re probably inside of five miles, which is where Dave Fravor said he saw it.

These are trained military pilots. Our eyes can’t see an object like that twenty miles out. If the system has a lock and it tells you it’s that far away, you don’t waste time and lose focus by trying to see for yourself something you already know you won’t be able to make out with the naked eye.

Additionally, it’s not as if no one saw it with their naked eye. Fravor’s word is as as good as his, and he says saw it. The value here is in the fact that this pilot is telling you he was watching the machines confirm what his colleague had seen. I take man + machine as a harder proof than two men, and not much less than 2 men + machine.

Edit: also seen by the squadron commanding officer:

> And it was also seen, via eyeballs, by both my commanding officer, Dave Fravor, and the Marine Corps Hornet squadron commanding officer who was out there as well.

So, yeah. Two men + machine, rather than three men + machine.

What I find more interesting is that NORAD didn’t debrief him, which means they either knew who was behind it or were already tracking it separately and knew what they needed to know (both very possible). Or perhaps since everything he saw and all his maneuvers were better documented in the real-time system logs dump and FLIR capture than he would be able to reliably recall, there was literally nothing he could add.

Wouldn't that depend on capabilities and intentions?