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FYI #rust-beginners is on discord, but many of the teams have transitioned to Zulip because it has threads. I'd love if Zulip was OSS, but at least it's a highly innovative company that's improved a lot on the UX of IRC (far beyond not needing to setup a bouncer).

The mismatch between Discord's targeted audience of gamers can get funny at times. One rust dev has had their status we to "playing systemd" for days.

Edit: How did I miss that Zulip is open source??? Thank you to the commentators who pointed this out, you made my day :)

Edit2: Just learned what I said about rust decision-making was totally wrong. Thanks to Rob Pike in the other thread for his detailed comments.

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You're talking about https://github.com/zulip/zulip, right? It was open sourced in 2015.

I wouldn't describe Zulip as coming from the IRC tradition -- it was built by MIT students as an improvement on MIT's Zephyr. There's a split between line-at-a-time messaging like IRC or Slack, and paragraphs-at-a-time messaging with per-message channels like Zephyr, Gale, and now Zulip.

I really miss the paragraphs style.

Wait, why can't you type a paragraph at a time in IRC?

You can type a paragraph if it is not too long, but you can't write several paragraphs.

I said "paragraphs-at-a-time", not "paragraph-at-a-time". You can't type paragraphs at a time on IRC because a single message can't contain newlines.

But even then, paragraph-at-a-time is hard on IRC because there's a max line length that's surprisingly short (and usually just truncates the rest of your message once you exceed it!), and just because you'd stand out as being the person writing much more than everyone else and being slow to reply. IRC simply isn't a medium designed for carefully considered thought like that.

> a medium designed for carefully considered thought like that.

"Sorry this is so long. I didn't have time to make it shorter."

I know I'm not supposed to talk about voting, but I'm going to anyway. Why are people upvoting me? The comment is completely useless because almost everything in it is wrong.

I upvoted you because "playing systemd" made me laugh. Also I hadn't heard of Zulip. Upvotes are cheap.

Zulip is open source: https://github.com/zulip/zulip

Where’s the other thread with Rob Pike?

There isn't one, because ... I'm not even sure what I was thinking, except that I probably should have gotten a few more hours of sleep last night.

Maybe I was thinking about this comment by someone else when I wrote that???: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=kibwen

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