So, after western society has learned how to take care of immigrants better, not only is it helping them, but helping itself as well.
So, after western society has learned how to take care of immigrants better, not only is it helping them, but helping itself as well.
In the case of low-skilled immigrant workers, this means not being forced to improve processes and technologies, because you can rely on a lot of cheap, unskilled manual labour.
Same logic, and I think a little bit less far-fetched than yours.
All the "let's welcome immigrants" discourse might give warm feelings to some but it does not help solving the issues in the countries of origin, and it also creates social issues in the countries of destination.
I think it would be much more helpful to e.g. have more students programs whereby bright young people from these countries can get visas and scholarships to study and get a professional experience in Europe with the hard requirement that they must then return to their home countries afterwards.
That's akin to telling a homeless person, “Get a job!”
> ... creates social issues in the countries of destination.
Social pressures, which may lead to solutions.
> ...get a professional experience in Europe with the hard requirement that they must then return to their home countries afterwards.
What's to prevent these bright young professionals as soon as they are flown back to their country from just getting sponsored by a company in another foreign country and then hopping on a plane again?
What you're advocating for is a very weak attempt at finding a solution by doing much of the same. Unless society is pushed, it will never change. Immigration provides pressure for society to learn how to integrate poorer people, whether homegrown or foreign, helping everybody.
The prosperous parts of the world are prosperous because the people living there made them prosperous. Unprosperous parts of the world could do the same if they followed the well worn path of development (law, order, stability, individuals working hard to learn and build business and enterprise, etc.) that all developed nations have followed.
You realize societies develop on their own, right? And they deal with stressors all the time, right?
Unlike, say, an engine, which is only a collection of moving parts designed to work only one way...
> > You're like an engineer who throws a few bugs into a functioning system because "it will force the system to improve".
You realize societies develop on their own, right? And they deal with stressors all the time, right?
Unlike, say, an engine, which is only a collection of moving parts designed to work one way...
> The prosperous parts of the world are prosperous because the people living there made them prosperous
Now who's being naïve? You think the world is some sort of boardgame where everyone starts with the same amount of resources and gets the same options? I really don't know where to start with this...
Yes, usually the solution is clamping down on immigration...
> Immigration provides pressure for society to learn how to integrate poorer people, whether homegrown or foreign, helping everybody.
It does not create such pressure. As said, it only creates pressure to implement tougher rules on immigration.
And it certainly does not help the countries of origin, which see their working age population leave and help a foreign economy instead of staying and helping the country.
Again, Africans need to help themselves at home. No-one will or can develop African countries but Africans (the same goes for all countries, not only African ones).
That's not a solution more than a choice not to face a problem.
> It does not create such pressure. As said, it only creates pressure to implement tougher rules on immigration.
Seeing people suffering all around you does create social pressure, in normal human beings, at least. I'm not trying to be trite here, but I don't think you really can deny that people seeing other people suffer inspires them to give.
> And it certainly does not help the countries of origin, which see their working age population leave and help a foreign economy instead of staying and helping the country.
Immigrant workers often send money home that far exceeds what they could ever make if they stayed. And they often do come back, after saving enough to retire, enriching their culture with western ideas as well.
> Again, Africans need to help themselves at home. No-one will or can develop African countries but Africans (the same goes for all countries, not only African ones).
Will you take a second to look at what you're saying? You might as well be talking about any group in need, ex. No one will or can help the homeless, but themselves. No one will or can help the disabled but themselves.
People can help other people, and often do. All you're doing here is basically saying “Everyone only for themselves” only you've cut the dividing lines by country. You might as well cut it by race, or social strata, it amounts to the same thing.
Most people involved in these groups are either second or third generation children of immigrants who specifically came for work which was available in the late 50's, 60's and early 70's which were specifically targeted since there was a major lack of available manpower due to fast economic growth and reduced workforce (since there was a small war a decade or so ago). Unskilled maybe but they definitely had work.