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A side nitpick:

I find it surprising the author mentions "pre-imperial India" to mark the era when Buddha was alive. There is a couple thousand years of rich history between the life of Buddha and "pre-imperial India". I would really like the Western authors to stop using Imperialism as a bookmark, as if India had nothing else significant before.

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After reading through all of the comments to this thread, I want to thank everyone for helping me think through the meaning and context.

I realize that "imperial India" conclusively means "British India" to me (and many others since this is undoubtedly the reference online as well). But I agree that "imperial" itself could mean the Mauryan empire or others (the meaning being "of an empire"). I guess my own negativity to the phrase "imperial India" stopped me from seeing this.

But this also makes me think, how words, phrases or history has different interpretations or meanings. It fits in this context because Buddha being mystic or not can also be debated in similar ways. We see what we want to see. The article trying to "un-mystify" Buddha made me biased against the author without me realizing it.

From the context it seems clear that "imperial" refers to the Nanda/Maurya empire - seeing as Kapilavastu and more generally, the Terai are at the periphery of the Gangetic plain. Is it accurate to call Pataliputra based regimes imperial when they ruled over Takshashila? I would think so - what else would you call Ashoka's conquest of Kalinga?

Why are you assuming that they are referring to the British Empire? They could be referring to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurya_Empire, which covered most of India not long after Buddha is said to have lived.

Can you please find a single source that says "Imperial India" means anything but "British rule in India"?

I would be happy if you could. If not you proved my exact point again.

Oh the Maurya dynasty is exactly one part of the rich history I mentioned, that is non Imperial.

Edit: Imperialism means to extend over "foreign nations". Mauryan empire is not foreign, it is as Indian as it can get.

The comment you responded to used "imperial", which is the adjective derived from empire.

There's no other adjective for empire, and there's really no reason to assume that use refers to modern meanings of imperialism (which is itself the noun derived from imperial...), meanings which are themselves derived from specific behaviours of recent empires.

Imperialism does but not the adjective 'imperial' which simply implies relation to an empire. Imperial Japan has nothing to do with the British and yet it is 'imperial'.

Yes you are right about the phrase "Imperial Japan" not having any relation to the British. But "Imperial India" does.

Any reader searching this phrase online or looking up any common reference will find the British relation. Unfortunate, but that is how it is. As an Indian, I have always known that. That is why the phrase jumped at me.

Is it too much to expect an author writing such a detailed article from this region to know that?

I understand what you are saying but you've asserted as truth that the author said what you said and in a pretty accusatory tone. If you use 'Imperial India' as standalone phrase it does refer to the British rule because it is the most recent and that's what most assume you mean. But when talking about Buddha it is quite a leap to think the author would use such a pointless timeframe so the context alone is enough.

Even a paragraph later the emperor Asoka is mentioned explicitly

> Imperialism means to extend over "foreign nations"

The Mauryans built their empire by extending over the politically and linguistically disparate nations comprising South Asia.

“Imperial” is an adjective referring to empires. You literally just said Mauryan _empire_.

Worth noting that the line between what’s you a what’s foreign is quite often just a line demarcating the edge of the prior empire.

"stop using Imperialism as a bookmark, as if India had nothing else significant before."

This is definitely not a reference to the British Raj, it's a reference to Indian 'Imperial India'.

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