India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

This agreement was drastically violated, especially in the 1971 war when Pakistan Army deliberately targeted Hindus.

This site run by Muslim Bangladeshis documents some details http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/

This lead to a mass exodus of Bangladeshi Hindus to India. In fact, the Communist Party, advocated for their citizenship status much before Modi came to power.

There has been further persecution of Hindus, both in Pakistan and Bangladesh

https://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2018/06/05/bangladeshi-profes...

Also, regarding Myanmar, note that this act also doesnt give refugee status to Hindus who are also being persecuted in Myanmar. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/05/myanmar-new-e...

Citizenship Amendment Act is a law to fast-track citizenship of 'persecuted religious minorities' in 3 neighboring countries Afghanistan/Pakistan/Bangladesh.

It is a case of positive discrimination (affirmative action for the Americans) towards Hindu/Christian/Sikh/Buddhist/Parsi refugees.

Here is the reddit thread explaining the Act in simple language - https://old.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/e9qhvb/cab_in_...

It does not affect normal citizens of India. It is also NOT a case of negative discrimination against Muslim refugees, like most detractors claim it to be. Official tweet from India's Home Ministry clarifies this - https://twitter.com/PIBHomeAffairs/status/120730412196068556.... The usual waiting period of 11 years stays as it is for them. For minority refugees, it is reduced to 5 years. That's all.

Every country has a database of its citizens. India was lagging far behind in this. Due to enormous population, porous borders and poor living conditions, there are a lot more undocumented immigrants in India than probably any other country on earth. The National Register of Citizens is an attempt to set that right.

This thread has a lot of government propaganda shills.

I don't know if Modi is a hard core religious fanatic or if his hands are just tied down by RSS brass who are most likely inciting this nonsense, especially at a stage when the economy is in near doldrums.

The government has also passed the equivalent of patriot act in India. https://techcrunch.com/2019/12/10/india-personal-data-protec...

CAB + NRC + Data bill => Orwelian fucking dictatorship all around.

What an awful time to be in India. Sadly, most people will wake up to the reality later than sooner.

One of the outcomes of this post is that the extreme bias in reporting in the media has reached HN. For any Hindus reading this, stop responding emotionally and instead try to document the various kinds of bias in media thoroughly. People like Vamsee Juluri have written about coverage of Hindu issues in prominent western media. Anand Ranganathan has logs of media bias on incidents of violence etc.

While the arrow of progress is forward, the blips can last for a millenia.

Unknown how long the War of Capitalisms will be.

It is very hard to be antagonistic in such circumstances - what is there to fight over, really?

It is possible that resources are getting scarce again and old battle lines are rediscovered as nations, classes and tribes restart old squabbles. There is less cheap oil per capita, cities are getting cramped and the radical change technology bought in the 90s and 2000s is slowing down so it isn't obvious that there are easy opportunities still opening up on that front.

In Bosnia, nationalist zealots killed civilians and committed genocide. If you've forgotten, look up Sarajevo and Srebrenica. There were murder camps put up by "Make Serbia Great Again" type nationalists. Their stated goal: "to contain the spread of Islam in Europe."

Only 25 years ago... And today the President of the United States is a man who sounds just like Milosevic. This rehabilitation of nationalism is the greatest disappointment of my lifetime.

If you are new to this issue, and want to understand the CAA/CAB in simple words - https://old.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/e9qhvb/cab_in_...

This is for illegal immigrants.

No country in the world blindly accepts illegal immigrants.

India was partitioned on the basis of religion, so how did we end up with one (now two) Islamic countries and one secular. Regardless how you look at it, Hindus got the short end of the stick.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

How many people who voted for the current government do you think would know what NRC meant when they voted? Infact, does the general mass understand it even to date?

Why would the protests be occurring most strongly in predominately Muslim areas? This is backed up by numerous international media reports, including comments from people who are protesting.

"NEW DELHI—Protests against a new citizenship law favoring non-Muslim immigrants erupted in violence in a Muslim-dominated part of the Indian capital where communal tensions have flared in the past, as the prime minister appealed for calm.

“People are opposing this law because it discriminates against the Muslims,” said Chaudhary Mateen Ahmad, a former Congress party legislator in the Delhi Assembly from Seelampur, the northeastern Delhi area where protest violence broke out on Tuesday afternoon. “They are saying the law should treat everyone equally; there should be no discrimination.”

The new law eases the path to citizenship for individuals from persecuted religious groups from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan, but only if they aren’t Muslim. That distinction has set off alarm in India’s 200-million strong Muslim community, who say the law, along with a separate national registry, could be used to disenfranchise many Muslims. The law has also alarmed Indians who view its singling out one religious group as betraying the country’s secular tradition of protecting all religious groups.

The protests on Tuesday followed weekend demonstrations by students and local residents near the Jamia Millia Islamia University in New Delhi, in which police chased protesters into the campus, fired tear gas and beat them with batons, injuring several students. Students in several Indian cities have been holding protests in support of the Jamia students."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/india-protests-against-new-law-...

Guilty until proven innocent? How is that fair?

That is not true. Protestors are protesting the problems existing minorities (specifically Muslims) thanks to the combined power NRC and CAB gives to the government.

In short, You can stay in the country if you are non-minority (everyone except muslims) you dont have to product proof like ancestry and stuff. But if you are a minority, you got to produce proof, show your ancestors, and even after you do, you might be "admitted to camp" and after "investigation" you will be "asked to leave"

Regarding 2 - the government handpicked only those countries which have Islam as state religion, and ignored others like Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Nepal, Bhutan and China.

The largest refugee population in India are Sri Lankan Hindu Tamils living for more than 30 years who were not included. Since including Sri Lanka would force them to include Myanmar which means Rohingyas will have to be accepted too.

The CAA is just a new political tool since Ram temple is now settled.

Politics like fire needs its fuel.

This is what happens if you elect bombastic incapable governments. The government doesn't realize that by their own logic they aren't elected by citizens anymore. By their own logic, they need to hold elections again I guess.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/et-explains/is-a-p...

Anyone who is not able to prove their citizenship will naturally be declared illegal immigrant and then have an option to apply for citizenship depending on their religion. This applies to anyone who IS NOT a Muslim.

Millions of poor and illiterate people in India have no documentation proving their citizenship, let alone documents going back decades proving that their ancestors were Indians. We all know how the route of detention camps go when the number of detainees goes up to millions.

That's a really disingenuous way of putting it, as I think you know.

Several million people who have lived in India for generations in some cases, who have never been offered or asked for citizenship papers, have suddenly been declared illegal. To prove their citizenship they need to provide documents that were rarely ever created in rural India. This is hardly just sweeping up random migrants.

> The protests that are happening in the eastern part of India is against giving citizenship to illegal immigrants.

That may be true in the east, but the largest and most vocal protests are in the opposite direction.

The BBC had a good story about this recently: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50757093

The government, over the last few years, has subjected many of its citizens to a bureaucratic nightmare to prove their citizenship. In many cases, all it takes to be declared a foreigner is for a neighbor to file an "objection" letter, which amounts to nothing more than an accusation. From there, the onus is on you to prove your own nationality to the nightmare that is India's legal system.

Under India's new citizenship law, Hindus (and members of most other religions) swept up into this mess can simply petition for citizenship. Conveniently for the current government, Muslims cannot.

The combo of the NRC+CAA ensures that Indians without papers are liable to be in internment camps. If you don't have papers, you are declared an illegal. There are a lot of Indians who don't have formal documentation. There is also a lot of corruption that makes it possible for officials to reject formal documents. You then get declared illegal.

Once in an internment camp, you cant go anyplace else. If you are a muslim, you don't have the option of getting out of the camp at all. if you are a poor Indian or a dissenter of any sort, you will face the same logic and all documents you produce will be deemed unfit.

A single internment camp costs 40Crores to make. To house just the northeast's so called illegals, you need close to 25K crores. This is a government that has just recently said no to primary education budgets for lack of cash. You think they have the budgets for large scale concentration camps? No. They are building up for a pogrom.

This is straight up Nazi policy.

The other question I keep asking is how is this a legitimate government if all the voters themselves have been designated illegal/noncitizens by default?

Last question and a prediction, why is the government transferring the workload of proving citizenship on to the population? This is to make people protest. Given enough protests, they will flip the policy to say, "hear hear, no, we will find the illegals for you, no need to stand in queues." Once they do that, they will form squads and informers like in Nazi Germany and hunt down the "unwanted."

1. NRC = prove that your ancestors were here before 1951 by records. Which most Indian people (of any religion) can't. So most people will be left out of the citizenship registry.

2. CAA = if you're not a citizen, but a Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, Parsi, Sikh or Christian, you get citizenship. (excluding Muslims)

So effectively, it says, if you're not Muslim, you get citizenship. If you're Muslim you go to detention camp.

Cut the crap.

Hmm, so when someone does not have any citizen documents of any country, what is "their actual country"? Or would they in practice be destined for the camps?

A persecuted person is persecuted irrespective of religion. CAA could have made it clear keeping India’s secular fabric intact, but it didn’t . As the current administration is bent upon making India a religious dictatorship, this is used as backdoor for that idea. NRC+CAA combined is like a rocket and a war head, making it a missile to launch an all out attack to weed out Muslims from India. So the intentions were nefarious with this act.

This has been declared repeatedly by current Indian government many times that they will conduct NRC nationwide, so the fears of Muslims are genuine. May be it will be nice if you read the bill yourself and see if they used the term Muslim anywhere in it.

There are other neighbouring countries like Nepal, China, Sri lank, Myanmar etc. where minorities are facing the same level of persecution which is conveniently ignored because they did not find in the current agenda of the government.

For the first time in Indian history, There is a citizenship law which discriminates based on religion.

Talking about NRC. It is going to be yet another blow to already struggling Indian economy after demonetization[2] & poor rollout of GST[3].

With NRC government will make entire population loose hundreds of hours of man power individually by making them go through a bureaucratic, unthoughtful, ill defined process to prove their citizenship. Moreover, NRC has already proven to be a failure when the government executed it[4]

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Assam

2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Indian_banknote_demonetis...

3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_and_Services_Tax_(India)

4 - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-natio...

> Why segregation based on religion? Because of persecution of minorities in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan.

Well, we have documented evidence of Shri Lankan Hindu Tamils being prosecuted in Shri Lanka. Why are those Hindus not included?

Also if you read this link below, Shia Muslims have been ruled non Muslims. So they r not Muslims acc to Pakistan itself but yet they're not included https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/07/opinion/pakistans-religiou...

> NRC (National Register for Citizens) is aimed at moving illegal immigrants to detention camps or they are free to leave to there actual country. During NRC one(Everybody in India) needs to prove there citizenship. This Bill is applicable only for illegal

Either you are intentionally ignoring that CAA and NRC are going to go hand in hand or you are ill informed.

In NRC everyone has to show documents, that itself is wrong at so many levels. They did this in Assam but they found out that Hindus are being left out of the Registry, and that's why they brought this bill, to leave Muslims out of the NRC. This way, only Muslims will be "illegal migrants" because other non Muslims are going to get citizenship according to CAA

> To whom does this rule apply: Illegal migrants who entered India till 2014.

And how are you going to check of someone is a migrant? Any govt proof won't work and we have to "prove" our parents grandparents documents. India isn't known for documentation is it?

Edit: Family member of a former president was left out od NRC Assam, he was a Muslim.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/former-president-fakhr...

The thing is, the Indian government also plans to implement a National Register of Citizens (NRC) in tandem with this bill where all citizens are supposed to prove that they really are "Indian". This diabolical CAB bill now makes the burden of proof for citizenship criteria only applicable to India's Muslim minority by giving an explicit exemption to all non-Muslims.

So yes the bill is innocuously worded but the intent behind it along with the NRC is registrar is mala fide at best and fascist at worst.

This is a straight up propaganda and an outright lie [0]. The population of non-Muslims in Pakistan has always hovered around 3.5%.

Census 1951 - 3.4% non-Muslims (oldest)

Census 1998 - 3.7% non-Muslims (newest)

[0]https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/pakistan-bangladesh-no...

Let me repeat: The NRC and CAA need to be read together. When read together you understand how close it is to the Nuremberg laws.

The current Indian government has nothing to offer and is a repressive regime baring its fangs. Companies should be advised to stay clear of the region for a while.

> Pakistan, Non-Muslim population fell from 23% to 3%.

Mainly because Bangladesh was separated from Pakistan.

> Why segregation based on religion?

India is a secular country. Why is there any mention of religion at all? And, other neighboring islamic countries don't give citizenship automatically if you are Muslim.

> This Bill is applicable only for illegal immigrants(It has got nothing to do with Indian Citizens), If somebody wants to come to India legally, they can come.

Everyone has to prove their citizenship in NRC. The requirements for NRC is ridiculous. Producing documents dating back to 1971. Landless, poor people, people from flood prone areas, tribals and other disenfranchised communities will have tough time producing documents. Only Muslims can not get citizenship through CAA, if they fail to get into NRC. And, what will be the proof of religion? What will happen to Atheists? Does it mean that you either become Hindu or leave country.

Your post is coated with misinformation and propaganda in the guise of informative post.

Above comment points to Pakistan's most reputed English newspaper, not a FUD site. Or do the plight of Hindus don't matter??