“Snowcrash” to be HBO series, compete with actual early Metaverses for viewers
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If I have to endure years of my non-cyberpunk friends talking about how Snowcrash feels like a rip-off of Ready Player One, then I will flip tables.
[1] https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/04/10/i-hope-you-lik...
Despite the jokes, HBO tend to do a decent job of this stuff. Ignoring the shitshow that was GoT after season 4. The Wire, The Sopranos, Westworld... probably better in their hands than, say, Netflix.
Game of Boners - Aiden Gillen returns to his brothel to make use of his Littlefinger namesake.
The Sopranals: Gandolfini enters Bada Bing! through the back door
etc. etc.
Which is to say, HBO actually seem to be quite tasteful with this while also being gratuitous.
The Raft is still new 'territory' for most sci-fi, the closest we ever got was Waterworld with Kevin Costner.
Reason remains sufficiently insane as a weapon to this day (like Project Pluto). Raven is, however, a bit 'old' now and I think may need an upgrade.
Smartwheels are still out of reach and car surfing still is cool as hell.
RatThings are just on this side of lovable in a Cthulhu-esque sort of way, so I think it'll be good merchandizing (which, reading that back, really drives home the dystopic feel of 2020)
The metaverse is, yes, very old now. I'll be interested to see how they deal with it.
Uncle Enzo and L. Bob Rife scream out for parallels to Bezos and Gates. So, not really 'new' but still fertile ground.
All that said, the first chapter is literary genius and it would be extremely difficult mess up. All the build up to find that Hiro is a ... pizzaguy. So good.
and the Oscar-winner says he's closer than ever.
(written in 2012, and we still have no Rama)They've made a couple video games[0] of it. I remember playing through the second one[1], and loved it (but I was/am a Myst junkie)
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendezvous_with_Rama_(video_ga...
Similar thing, but WAYYY different. I recommend it for people who liked Rama.
Another unnamed network is supposedly currently considering Red Rising series as well.
Sci-Fi dystopia is hot right now.
Even if they don't follow the main plot, the ring presents a great backdrop for exploration and the freedom for some pretty interesting stories.
I liked his short stories a lot more.
The actual series expanded on this, but felt hollow by comparison.
And (personally) it felt like a cheap simplification of one of the most interesting series plot points.
In that world what the Golds do to humans on Earth is considered ancient history.
The main character’s rise as a Red is certainly a struggle. And the plight of all Reds and the other colors is equally similar.
But overall the story arc is more similar to the Biblical story of Noah, but with gladiators and space ships.
To be fair, the story of Noah might be considered dystopian to prosperous Jewish cultures a few thousand years ago. But at some point everyone’s plights become history.
The author is a history buff, and describes his motivation for the society as looked back on mankind's history and seeing that it's not a gradual progression towards becoming better, but a cyclical process oscillating between egalitarianism and authoritarianism (fascism).
Either way, it will be a damn good story to see play out as a series. Despite the first three books being from only Darrow's perspective, the characters rival Game of Thrones IMO.
"we have this story about a spunky action girl (who is not a mary sue since she's gonna be the actual main character) and her bumbling male companions, on a quest to impeach cybertrump by the power of fisticuffs. which IP will let us shoehorn it in?"
The first time I read around the year 2000, I enjoyed but I essentially thought "That was neat, and funny, but man did he miss how things would turn out! haha". If you read it today, you might be shocked by how many things it has gotten right.
The one downside of bringing Snow Crash back into the public consciousness, though, is that uninformed viewers may well take Stephenson’s use of Sumerian as the "original human language" seriously, and Julian Jaynes’ work will be probably be accepted as a valid thing when in fact it is extremely controversial.
I mean, Snowcrash's view of income inequality, limitless corporate power, the value of the human life vs capital... I don't think they have to tone that down at all. In fact, my money is they play that up pretty significantly as the essential Neoliberal endgame.
Damn that series was good.
I don't think finding a Reagan substitute is going to be a challenge though, and I don't think there's too much to worry about viewers absorbing themselves in Julian Jaynes' work, not least because any form of adaptation is going to cut Stephenson's exposition to the bare minimum "it's like a virus for your mind. This tech is older than the pyramids; it's how they controlled the people that built them", and it's going to be in the context of skateboarders latching onto mafia pizza delivery drivers, Mr Lee's Greater Hong Kong and villains with harpoons hooking up with underage heroes
And let's bear in mind that plenty of other obviously absurd theories actually hold up really well, relativity and quantum electrodynamics being two of the obvious big ones. Obviously the science of human consciousness is much more intractable, but even so.
Now that we know what we know, how will they account for it?
“Insert integer”g
Although perhaps that's too literal an interpretation of "recording everything that happens around them" and "in the metaverse all the time"
In a lot of adversarial input stuff for AI, you're trying to get the AI to misclassify something, not necessarily to damage the AI or even change its learning at all. In Snow Crash the perceptions were definitely damaging to the perceivers, but I don't think you have to go nearly that far to have adversarial inputs!
The damage in Snow Crash just happened to be more severe than "short-term distress followed by periodic unsettlement".
Snow-crash is the first example I know of, of the attack being condensed to a bitmap and experienced solely through the optic nerve and subsequently and substantially condensed in the time domain.
Typically the sort of results of an adversarial attack against a human neural network similar to one described in snowcrash is more indicative of long term and repeated exposure to adversarial stimulus that usually starts at birth and last through sometimes as late as adulthood. Snowcrash condenses this effect and that’s whats striking and interesting.
To elaborate, the sort of adversarial attack’s I’m thinking of, are: indoctrination; gaslighting; cycles of abuse (a very nasty one that can go on for generations!); just about anything in the cia psy-ops manual, oh and I shouldn’t leave off entrapment (that’s a fun one).
Apart from psychological manipulation, of course―as already noted in another comment.
Snowcrash is the book that inspired Philip to create Second Life. Then he moved on to create High Fidelity, but they are now pivoting more for virtual meetings and business use it looks. One thing I kinda don't like about the new virtual worlds, they are disconnected spaces while Second Life tried to have a sense of continued space, but never seemed to get as popular as Facebook and a region can't hold more than 100 avatars at once but even 50 is a limit in some places.
I feel SL was early for it's time though, they started working on it in the late 90s and opened in 2003. High Fidelity seemed more focus on HMDs then keyboard and mouse but I feel that is still a bit early too but it's an interesting space. I have some ideas on my own too I've been thinking about exploring, but still a lot to learn and then getting funding at some point when a more solid plan.
I feel like they tried that before and a room full of literal flying penises ended that experiment just as quickly as it started.
I think the HiFi idea might be private spaces though, so probably need to be invited. Kinda like how Google Apps let businesses have their own private version of Gmail and Docs.
I guess that's one of the problems of creating a platform... Got to balance being too open or being too closed... One of the coolest things I thought about SL is you can just start building in world and scripting. However now with Mesh you create stuff externally and upload it, but don't think there's a way to really preview it much so stuck to pay to upload it, unless you logged into the beta grid. But not sure how much stuff can be stopped other than responding to abuse reports. I think screening all content like Apple does might be a solution too, but still has it's own pro and cons. I guess give people tools, and they'll abuse it.
I was thinking maybe charge like half of what a high quality game on a console is to create an account, but then I doubt it would grow as much but it would limit people from creating troll accounts and help fund developments and servers.
Everyone became a programmer,or a 3d modeler. Something about having a programming language and the ability to make things strapped to what was essentially a chatroom.
I wonder if your comparisons to Facebook are really fair. I always assumed Secondlife was trying to be something closer to IRC or Discord today then something like Facebook. It's not just a series of events to read but something active to engage with.
Hmm interesting on comparison to Facebook. Never thought of comparing it more to IRC chat rooms, but I feel like if you looked at the stats maybe it's better to put your effort into a iPhone or Facebook app if you want a bunch of users. I know there's also some stat that a large amount of the userbase just chats with friends instead of exploring the world. But also some content creators are able to make a full time living too.
http://www.gridsurvey.com/ According to that 41,905 people are online right now. But I guess my point is it seem more niche than mainstream, but still impressive and profitable.
https://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2014/08/confirmed-facebook-purchas...
https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/consider-phlebas-iain-m-ban...
1. Please do recall the casting in the live action GitS movie.
I can't wait to see the Raven character..
However, while HBO's Watchmen is well timed because of the huge popularity of the MCU, there's not currently any similarly well-known cyberpunk body of fiction right now.
It will be interesting to see how they adapt it though. It's probably one of the more "ready for screen" books that Stephenson has written, but even there it relies heavily on internal-monologue and brute writing style more than it does on great plotting.
Of course if you are going by my theory of dystopian SF being the thing right now, The Diamond Age is probably a better fit, plus it's already populated with a few orgy scenes, which seems to be a plus for HBO. I suppose there are casting issues with the plot centering so much around a young girl though.
But like, odd, goofy, punk rock, etc.
For all of its foresight, the book is goofy and dated as hell. If it's going to come to screen there's no way the adaption doesn't either:
1) Update some of the goofier stuff (upsetting the fans)
or
2) Leave it all in, in all its 80s action movie glory. (Which won't look all that great in the modern zeitgeist.)
I'm already expecting people will be disappointed with whoever they cast for Hiro, for either being not Black enough (or too Black) or not Korean enough (or too Korean). Similarly, do they outfit Y.T. with a retrofuturist 80s interpretation of what it means to be a skater punk? Or do they update it to be a 2020s interpretation of what it means to be a future skater punk? There's no answers to these that satisfies everyone. Someone will inevitably say it was 'ruined' no matter what the show runner does.
Even Margaret Atwood says she willingly works with the production company to "make it work" on screen. Plot evaporates in an instant.
As you say, and I agree: its not a sacred text. Speaking of which, I think TV novela versions of sacred texts usually wind up where 'hail ceaser' went: a committee of wise men (and it always is men) arguing about whats sacred anyway..
It's not that it's actually what I expect, it's just that if contemporary futuristic stuff's being made, I'm not watching it. But I have seen the Back to the Future trilogy, and 2010, and so on.
Did you see the Cybertruck? itshappening.jpg
“Why is the Deliverator so equipped? Because people rely on him. He is a roll model. This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, you got a problem with that? Because they have a right to. And because they have guns and no one can fucking stop them. As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. When it gets down to it—talking trade balances here—once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here—once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel—once the Invisible Hand has taken all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity—y'know what? There's only four things we do better than anyone else:
music, movies, microcode (software), high-speed pizza delivery”
Every Neal Stephenson book rehearses the same ethos. He's consistently asking "but what is consciousness, anyway" in the end.
how many shows did you produce?
Actually, Seveneves would be a kind of amazing long running serial if they just ran a chunk of anthologies during the portion of history the book skips between stabilizing the asteroid and recolonizing earth.