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From: Arnon Geshuri (Google Senior Staffing Strategist)

... On this specific case, the sourcer who contacted this Apple employee should not have and will be terminated within the hour. We are scrubbing the sourcer’s records to ensure she did not contact anyone else. ...

From: Shona Brown (Google VP of Human Resources)

Appropriate response. Please make a public example of this termination within the group. Please also make it a very strong part of new hire training for the group. I want it clear that we have a zero-tolerance policy for violating our policies. This should (hopefully) prevent future occurrences.

From Eric Schmidt:

Steve, as a followup we investigated the recruiter’s actions and she violated our policies. Apologies again on this and I’m including a portion of the email I received from our head of recruiting [Arnnon Geshuri—M.A.]. Should this ever happen again please let me know immediately and we will handle. Thanks !! Eric

From Steve Jobs:

:)

From Sergei Brin:

Wow, Steve used a smiley. God, I never got one of those.

Source: https://pando.com/2014/03/25/newly-unsealed-documents-show-s...

Edit: Fixed the Shona Brown email. She's on the board of Atlassian now so I guess avoid those people too.

Wage fixing aside, doesn't it shock anyone to see them talking about people in this way? "the sourcer... will be terminated within the hour", "please make a public example of this termination"? You can almost hear them gloating about the crucifixion they're organising

it is well known that the upper management people have more psychopathic tendencies, for example https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackmccullough/2019/12/09/the-p...

That email exchange is totally lacking any empathy (which is very typical of psychopathy [IANAD]) toward the ones affected, ie. the sourcer who is being fired and the employees whose livelihoods are being illegally depressed.

> Please make a public example of this termination within the group. Please also make it a very strong part of new hire training for the group.

So already in 2007 a group of people at Google (all the hiring staff) knew about this policy. How much time did it take before someone complained?

That's so horrible. One note, the second quote ("Appropriate response...") was from Shona Brown (Google’s VP for Human Resources), not Eric Schmidt.

Yeah at the highest management levels, managers (VPs?) are responsible to CEO direction.

But at middle manager levels (hundreds of people, not a handful, in very large companies) they're not directly responsible to the CEO. Nor are they directly responsible to the customer/market. They're in 'middle management limbo' where all they have to work with, is local incentives. Usually financial - optimize the budget for results.

Sadly, this usually ends with middle managers trying to maximize their budget and minimize their required output, to increase their chances of success. Which means, the most expensive product possible.

That's what I mean by 'locally optimize'.

That's a much more general point than the specific one at issue, which is the CEOs illegally conspiring to not hire staff from each other and terminating someone who refused to go along with the illegal conspiracy. This wasn't something the managers organically came up with.

I believe you misquoted the source. The "Appropriate response..." quote is attributed to Google’s VP for Human Resources, Shona Brown, not Eric Schmidt.

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