Counting calories isnt the point, its keeping track of your weight and being able to hold it outside of a diet phase. Learning to stop gaining weight. What works for you works for you, thanks for the explanation. I unfortunately have come across to many people who didnt consider the longterm aspect. You are just finally getting yourself up and loose that weight and then everything will be great and "oh man i cant wait for this to be over". That stuff so often ends sad.