Elementary OS 5.1 Hera
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However, we have added an `--upstream` or `-u` flag to lsb_release like other Linux-based OSes to point to an upstream release if the downstream release is not supported. I believe this has been adopted for installers of tools like Ruby and Node.
For the microphone not working, you'd have to check what's going on in Pulseaudio and ALSA - both of these can be problematic at times.
It does not, sadly. There is an unofficial third party repo but it’s very much unsupported by both Debian and elementary.
It seems that the poster doesn't have a Linux compatible laptop so eOS or any other distro won't work well.
This is generally fixed by installing "non-free" firmware. Some distros may also work better than others, e.g. some hardware is better supported in Fedora than Debian or its derivatives.
There really is no difference between hardware support on Debian and Fedora given that the kernels remain the same - this isn't the case most of the time of course as Debian maintains stability whilst Fedora is very close to upstream most of the time.
IIRC, there was such a chipset with a PowerVR GPU. In that case, you'd pretty much be SOL. You'd have to run Windows 10 and hope that a from-scratch install of W10 can pick up the proper drivers from the "updates" channel - which I wouldn't be sure about. Most other hardware is far better behaved.
for a time they gave away windows 10 for free for anyone with 8. all those people who upgraded all have the same serial so there are probably millions of computers with it. this simply associates yer VM/computer with that serial and goes and activates. So its definitely not the most legal thing in the world, but its not like you are going to get caught since you are using the same serial number as millions of other folks.
Might be worth it if they're heavily discounted.
Pop's desktop environment looks like a barely customized Gnome3 session to me. I'm not sure I would even call it a fork. Looks more like just a theme.
Pantheon (Elementary) is more of a fork of Gnome3, reusing some low level parts but presenting a much different experience to the user.
They have collaborated with elementary in a few areas though. Instead of gnome software, they have Pop Shop, which I believe is a fork of the elementary app center.
They also use their own installer, which I believe was a collaboration with elementary os.
While I have sympathies for System76 and Debian, there is no way I am going to install an OS with this name.
- How am I supposed to pronounce this? pop? popos? pop-OS? What should I do with the special characters?
- What happens if I accidentally paste this into the shell?
- What associations should the name "Pop!_OS" have? Appart from the english "pop open" something, in German there is: "Popo" -> Childs word for "bum", "poppen" -> "to hump". Both not exactly favorable.
Also, who comes up with names like this? Have you talked to any marketing person to this before deciding on a name. If you want professionals to put this on their machines, better make sure it sounds vaguely like something you might be able to put trust into.
This is true so long as they're not in some need to always be using the latest kernel or packages (e.g. casually curious desktop user, or developers looking to use standard interblag languages/tools). People who are setting up the machine for their parents or aunt or uncle, or who are just wanting to "get into Linux" by using it some of the time.
Both of them focus on an approachable UX, OOTB functionality, and stability. Updates tend to be minor desktop-centric improvements, building on the same kernel and base packages over a year-and-some period, as they are both built on top of Ubuntu LTS. Things change less often, so they break less often.
If they really do desire some newer software version that isn't backed by the Ubuntu LTS, the PPA system is there to fall back on. It's certainly no AUR, but for people who want a very middle-of-the-road experience, where the OS gets out of your way so you can get things done, it's a decent balance.
I have not experienced the version upgrade experience in Elementary for a while, but in Mint I have had better experiences with version upgrades than with any other non-rolling desktop distro. Reliable version upgrades are an under-appreciated aspect by longtime Linux nerds (myself included) who think nothing of a quick backup and re-install because of segmented /home partitions, have self-hosted backup systems, or other such advanced configurations. It is the main reason I don't recommend the non-LTS Ubuntu desktops, because of the number of times I have seen the upgrade go awry for less savvy users, e.g. from 17.04 to 17.10.
As a final note, the only reason I don't recommend Pop! or Ubuntu itself, is how unfamiliar the GNOME interface metaphors tend to feel to newbies. I realize other people completely disagree with this approach when recommending Linux distros.
You can agree or disagree with that mission, but it is what it is.
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Those are input from just pressing ALT(right) + <SOME LETTER KEY>
The € is ALTgr + e. ¢ is ALTgr + SHIFT + e.
Arabic key layout is different (which fine, OS X uses something non-standard anyways), but makes it absolutely impossible to customize it. Text boxes frequently jumble themselves up with left/right mixed input, while OS X handles this as expected.
Chinese input is slightly better, as you don't have to deal with order wonkiness. But pinyin input is halfhearted at best, and requires a bunch of qol changes.
This is how it has always worked (I use a Latin-American keyboard layout). And I think it's the best of both worlds.
If you wanted and your font supports it you could have: ṕẃéŕý (accent key + character key).
All above without touching the AltGr key.
Too often I want to use the proper spelling of someone’s name and I run off to Google to get the symbol.
you can also add languages and use the on screen keyboard in said languages
I don't see why introducing a fourth one would help?
The main reason you can't simply flick a global switch between those three but have to do it per app seems to be the license of GNU readline.
Seriously, though: emacs has several terminal emulators built in like ansi-term, comint, and eshell.
Windows/linux still defaults to many OS commands being in the ctrl space (like ctrl-c for copy, not windows-c) which causes clobbering in the terminal, forcing people to use ctrl-shift-c, for instance.
However, since they build on the latest Ubuntu LTS release the Kernel is slighlty outdated and may not support the latest hardware. This can be fixed easily using a little tool called "ukuu" that will install a newer kernel for you https://github.com/teejee2008/ukuu
https://computingforgeeks.com/install-pantheon-desktop-envir...
KDE just gets total confused when I connect or disconnect a new display, windows jump all over the place, sometimes they move out of the visible screen area if I switch between hiDPI and non-hiDPI displays, or even just disconnect and then reconnect a UHD monitor. I've seen some reports pointing fingers at Qt as the main culprit, tbh I don't care, it doesn't work for the end user.
The latest Ubuntu on Gnome at least doesn't get confused, but it does not recognize my monitor sometimes (I have to turn it off then on again, for example when waking up from suspend), and switching between displays takes about 20-30 seconds (I have my laptop screen disabled if a monitor is connected). But it doesn't remember my open windows, nor the past position of my terminal, which is set to auto-exec on login. This is something that works much better in KDE.
Display port works better than HDMI though
I found the situation is worse if I extend my monitor's screen onto the laptop, because when I unplug the monitor and plug it back again, all hell breaks loose.
(This with the latest KDE that Ubuntu 19.10 has)
Still seems to me that Plasma with libdbusmenu-qt5 is the closest interface paradigm to MacOS for people trying to swap (not that there aren’t other problems), but glib and gtk versions exist so someone out there must be working on it?
This is proving exceptionally hard to search the web for, so apologies if this is out of date, but it seems the answer was “no, and it never will be, so stop asking” as of 2018: https://twitter.com/danielfore/status/991836014070022144
Was this from before Elementary was positioning as the MacOS replacement? I can’t be the only one who thinks the global menu is one of the MacOS interface’s killer features.
I understand why it’s been hard under the X paradigm, but those crazy dbus people are pushing entire application interfaces through IPC now.
That's one way to kill any credibility you had I guess.
In any case, this release of Elementary isn’t any more paired down than the latest GNOME shell.
They seem to have a relatively sane approach to building GUI toolkit (though “sane” is relative given this particular domain) so I’m curious to see where they take things even if I don’t use it.
Seems like Plasma or MATE are the only real options if you want a functional global menu.
As a video editor, the lack of an integrated SD card slot alone kills any future purchases.
I really love Linux, especially on the desktop. With that said, I've stopped attempting to use it to make music. There's just too much babysitting that needs to be done [1]. A 2015 15" MBP with Ableton is the perfect machine for me and lets me stay in my creative zone. Your experience might be different though, good luck!
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/WeAreTheMusicMakers/comments/9lv9ey...
You can absolutely be tech savvy and prefer the ease of use of Elementary OS's default options. But the converse is not true. You cannot be uninterested in tech and have a good experience running i3 on Arch Linux.
His Windows machines ALWAYS clogged up with Spy and Malware after a few months. The last time, the suspend function broke and shut-down the PC immediately, instead of suspending it. Reboot took 2minutes+ for _some_ reason.
Contrast this to the Mac Laptop of my mother which is fast, and clean after 5y+ of using it.
Looks like, Windows is untenable for the less computer literate at this point. Too easy to mess up the system.
I have high hopes that Elementary/Linux will stay fast and clean for a while. The old show-stoppers: Installation, Hardware Support and Usability are all working smoothly so far.
Otherwise my experience with Elementary has been... not so bad. The speakers are too quiet for some reason, my university's Wifi won't accept my credentials (every other network is fine) and occasionally Firefox crashes the world, but that's all, so far.
Wish list: a stable, possibly read-only[-only], update of ext2fsd, and a proper Paintbrush clone. Also, .txt files should not automatically open in Code, which would probably scare my mom.
What's wrong with xpaint? Quite old of course, but it seems to work fine.
Otherwise how has it been with Linux on that? I'm considering getting one, they look great!
It works with the Wifi chip, speakers are too quiet (?), suspend/power is fine (yay!), graphics seem to work. Overall a very near miss.
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/elementary-0-4-loki-agai...
I haven't tried Elementary, but I've tried a lot of distros, and I always come back to Ubuntu because it comes the closest to just working. (It doesn't do as well as MacOS or Windows in the 'just working' department, in my experience (let the flames begin!), but it does pretty well, and better than any other Linux-based OS I've tried.)
And although reliable statistics seem to be hard to come by, my impression is that Ubuntu is the most popular Linux-based desktop OS by a pretty wide margin.
But I'm never going to use Elementary over Ubuntu or Fedora, and I wouldn't install it on a non-tech person's computer. Redhat employs all the systemd/kernel folks so you're getting a super stable system with lots of updates and vanilla packages. Ubuntu has lots of documentation and a huge community. In terms of just gettting shit done as a programmer or a normal user Elementary is fighting an uphill battle. Now if I could get Fedora or Ubuntu with Pantheon as the default choice over GNOME - sign me up.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pantheon https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pantheon-desktop-git/
The above is on arch, but the PKGBUILD should have generic enough build and packaging info, and I imagine there is a PPA equivalent.
For me, I consider this essential: terminal emulator, editor, compiler and related stuff, browser.
All of that is independent of your desktop environment. I personally don't use any gnome or similar, just use a normal WM like its the 90s, with xterm as a very important piece.
That is not true -- IBM/Redhat is a minority kernel contributor (most are from the IBM group), and Fedora is not an IBM product or project. Fedora is independent and often considered an alpha/beta/canary version of RHEL (the latter is IBM's priority, without a doubt).
I am stuck to elementary OS 0.4.1 Loki and only way to upgrade to the latest version is to reinstall the whole thing.
> Due to the rolling nature of elementary OS updates, users of elementary OS 5 Juno get the update to 5.1 Hera alongside regular system updates from AppCenter.
The shell is difficult due to dependencies on old versions of gnome libraries like libmutter that nobody is maintaining.
I'm running a 5.x kernal with latest Ubuntu hwe on Juno right now.
Kernal updates are slower, sure, but that is a feature for a lot of us.
I hate to be so negative, but the "new greeter" they are showing looks like something from Windows 98, and worst of all, functionally no better than Ubuntu. What purpose doe s this actually serve if it's neither aesthetics nor functionality?
I would feel a lot safer recommending either Ubuntu or Linux Mint...
+ NO MENU BARS. I'm allergic to locating things in a drop down within a drop down within a drop down.
I've had some technical problems with past eOS versions but it's one of few distros where you get the feeling the developers are actually trying to make it more usable and polished. It starts with a consistent, nice-looking UI and doesn't stop with details like great default wallpapers.
Elementary definitely has a nicer software center UI and I personally love their terminal application more than others (even though I currently use Kubuntu). Many people like it because it reminds them of macOS, even though you don't.
And you're kind of right about GTK, but elementaryOS uses the Pantheon desktop environment built on top of GTK.
Elementary has the most gorgeous look for my taste.
Like explaining to people who dislike veggie why veggie is delicious, it's difficult to explain why you like things to people who don't share the same view for something so subjective.
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:elementary-os/stable && sudo apt install elementary-desktop
Then, select elementary when you log in.
Also tried running eOS in VirtualBox - after installing and reboot all I get is a black screen. I can get the live version running though, so not great, not terrible!
sudo dnf group install 'pantheon desktop'https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Di...
Now the only problem is when they find out there's a new version I'll be spending Christmas week in NY updating a whole bunch of computers.
I'm not very found of Mac OS, and my next machine is most probably going to be a Thinkpad. I've tried several distros on VMs on my Windows PC, including Debian, Mint, Arch, MX Linux, and elementary. Out of all these, the two I liked the most were MX Linux and Elementary. I think I'm going to stick to Elementary though as it feels more premium and I like the slow update pace.
Elementary does one thing and does it well: do UX right. Before getting to know Elementary, I've tried many Linux distros, you name it. I'd always have to spend quite a bit of time tweaking my new install, so it would actually look good and be useful. Elementary has good defaults, you can install a web browser, your favorite productivity tools, and call it a day.
The efforts of team behind the project have resulted into a quite consistent and coherent UI, something all other Linux distros lack. Distros maintainers have less control as they use DEs developed by other people. You can install Pantheon (Elementary's DE) into another distro but it wont feel as good as it does in Elementary. Finally, the other famous DEs, namely KDE and GNOME3, have awful design principles: GNOME3 with it's everything-big-tablet-like, lack of intuitiveness and excess of antifeatures; KDE with it's awful looks.
Debian but with things changed a bit to be Ubuntu but with things changed a bit to be Mint.
You just draw the line differently.
Personally I'm happy with Debian Stable and Arch, and I barely use the former lately. I don't see the point in creating an entirely new distribution that is effectively just a package change.
I use Ubuntu servers for work a decent amount because it's common, that's about it.
Trademark covers the idea of knock offs but honestly similarities are skin deep and would be trying to protect vague similarities where there exists no confusion.
Even if it were possible to make a case Apple owes more to open source than vice versa and it would be terrible publicity
You click--hoping for some new take on what an operating system should be--only to discover yet another half-assed linux distro.
The Elementary OS project develops many of their own applications, have multiple custom themes, does relentless work ensuring available packages are stable and usable for each release, and they have their own DE. Also, many of the applications that weren't specifically made by the project were inspired by the project to be further developed-- thus boosting their userbase and volunteer developers.
Now, think what you will about the project, but this isn't a valid criticism.
Elementary is based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian, which is based on Linux. Most of the value in that chain is the work of others.
Last I checked, debian.org & kernel.org don't have a "Pay What You Want" button above the fold.
Debian is awesome. Linux is awesome. I'm not going to tip my hat to some guy putting skins on Debian and charging for it.
The fact that they didn't start at zero doesn't make their contribution any less meaningful.
BTW without x86 there would be no Linux and what about the Von Neumann architecture?
How far back should we have to go?
Elementary doesn't even force you to pay, you can use it for free (as in freedom as well)
Elementary wants to be “the Apple of Linux”, to attract less-technical users and switchers from other OSes. Their development philosophy is similarly top-down: someone sets a “vision” and a small group of people gets to implement it. If you are a coder and you value bottom-up development, you should really look elsewhere.
Plus, most people don’t know most languages, so no matter what you choose, most devs have a language barrier. Vala, again, is very easy to pick up — certainly easier than C or C++ and probably easier than Java/C#/D.
New apps in the Pantheon system could I guess be written in any language.
GCC is stuck on a pseudo Objective-C 2.0 support.
clang does support the basic stuff, but there are no libraries.
Yeah, there is GNUstep, but it is like stuck on Pather level compatibility or something like that.
This is a completely useless component to the OS.
Why would they actually log out of one user and log in as another? Wouldn't it benefit the parents to have all family members on the same user so they can actually see what their kids are up to?