What it would take to suck more carbon dioxide out of the air than we put in
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Biochar may not help much either but is still net beneficial and pyrolysis is going to be one of the paths to the feedstock we need for chemicals I would think. The absorbing concrete can be priced right and carbon taxing would drive there.
Deep sea storage, olivine and other rock formation, all useful.
Mainly, it's not giving up hope. Because giving up would be way, way worse.
Sometimes reading these realism write-ups is not very hope inducing. Even stoics don't always give up hope.
There is no better world. We have to try and make the best of all possible worlds here.
On the other hand - "We Need Courage, Not Hope, to Face Climate Change" (https://onbeing.org/blog/kate-marvel-we-need-courage-not-hop...)
"I am a pessimist by nature. Many people can only keep on fighting when they expect to win. I'm not like that, I always expect to lose. I fight anyway, and sometimes I win."
-- Richard Stallman
What I am trying to say is that even one lost all hope and thinks catastrophic climate change is already unstoppable and human civilization is going to collapse and the game is over, one can still fight. Because it's the right thing to do. Fuck hope.
and most people would rather just get comfortable and ride out the remainder than to fight.
In this specific context, it's primarily the things outside of your control - far outside of your borders and political influence - that make that an impossible action for a given person.
China is currently adding nearly as much coal power output (+121 GW) as exist in the whole of the EU combined. [1][2] Their companies are working on adding even more output and plants than that around other parts of Asia. Domestically China is building more new coal plants than the rest of the world combined, in fact.
China has approximately 987 GW of coal power in operation, soon to be 1,100 GW. The EU has 149 GW. China passed the EU in coal plant GW output around the year 2000 at 200 GW, they passed the US in 2006 at around 340 GW, and are now closing in on 1,000 GW this year. Next year they will have 4x the coal plant GW output of the US.
The US has reduced its coal-based power output by ~80 GW (1/4 reduction) in about 12 years and continues to close coal plants. China has an additional 149 GW of coal power output under construction. China's actions trivially wipe out anything the rest of the world can do to counter it.
The article properly lists the US as a mega emissions culprit, along with China and India. Except the US isn't massively expanding its emissions, it's reducing. The US isn't opening new coal plants, it's rapidly closing them. The problem in the US is that it isn't moving fast enough.
How does a person from, say, Finland do anything about any of that to try to make this the best possible of worlds? China's actions alone will wipe out any chance of stopping (much less reversing) the accelerating climate damage. It guarantees there can be no positive outcome. How do you force China to stop building hundreds of new coal plants? You can't and they won't.
[1] https://www.ft.com/content/c1feee40-0add-11ea-b2d6-9bf4d1957...
[1a] outline version of the FT article: https://outline.com/dbCT6e
[2] https://fortune.com/2019/11/20/china-coal-power-plants-pipel...
Consumers globally can choose “Not coal”
https://h4labs.org/ive-got-another-stupid-idea-to-deal-with-...
Natural gas is not coal. It’s cheap and much cleaner.
Right now, even though we’re pretty close to the Winter solstice, the UK is producing about 1.5 times more electricity from solar than from coal.
Yes, there are other fossil fuels besides coal in the UK, and yes renewables only supply about a third of the UK’s electricity right now, but coal itself is practically dead.
Two of the six plants we have left announced last month they wouldn't be bothering going to the 2025 coal elimination date, and will close in 2020. Leaves 4 I think.
Same month the lovely government approved a new deep coal mine in Cumbria. huh?
Where? Political action int he U.S. or Europe doesn't do much to China and telling China "sorry, you can't have cheap electricity, your people don't get to have a lifestyle like ours as a result" isn't likely to make the Chinese go "oh, ok, we'll stop growing our middle class and go back to a basic village lifestyle to save the rest of you".
Unless we miraculously convert to a global government then reducing emissions just isn't likely to happen. Reduce in one place and it'll continue to increase in a few others.
The fact of the matter is, the only realistic solution out of this is a majority of the world's population goes "Ok we'll only drive to work/school/the grocery, we'll never take travelling vacations unless we walk or bicycle there, we'll stop eating all meat, we'll give up plastic packaging and we won't replace our electronics when they wear out".
Otherwise we have to hope and pray that a fleet of alien trade ships show up on orbit and are like "If you give us syndication rights to the galactic hegemony for Everybody Loves Raymond and I Love Lucy we'll go ahead and install a thousand of our zero point modules around the planet and tie them into your local grids to solve your energy needs. If you give us the syndication rights to The Simpsons we'll give you a few thousand of these solid state devices that attract carbon out of the air causing it to solidify into inert bricks that you can then fill your pit mines with".
We're seriously in that sort of state. You either outlaw electricity from fossil fuels in every country in the world or you hope for a true miracle.
Even if someone figures out cold fusion today and can start churning out the first power plants in January, replacing the 60,000~ power plants in the world it would take decades at best to replace them and making the concrete for pouring the foundations alone would create an insane amount of CO2 not to mention all of the structural steel.
Short of ET intervention, the best we can hope is that developing nations stop building fossil fuel power plants and that people start leaving coastal cities and building better designed, more eco-friendly, more distributed, with equally dispersed permaculture centers, with rail lines in grids to provide for efficient transportation of people and goods, cities far inland.
Secondly,you are kind of right, the IPCC already has calculated that to keep the rise to 1.5C is only possible if we invest in negative emissions, that is pulling carbon out of the atmosphere. This is never discussed in out brain-dead media, as obvious it is much more expensive to pull carbon out of the air than not to emit it in the first place.
China is adding millions of new drivers to the roads, in fossil-fuel powered vehicles with fossil fuel (and tree) derived tires, annually.
What about the fact that China is actively constructing hundreds of coal power plants? Or the fact their middle-class is rapidly growing which will mean more energy demands (which will mean more fossil fuel consumption) and more consumer goods (more plastics, from fossil fuels)?
>Since the early 2000s, China's middle class has been among the fastest growing in the world, swelling from 29 million in 1999 (2 percent of population) to roughly 531 million in 2013 (39 percent of population).
https://chinapower.csis.org/china-middle-class/
China has hundreds of millions of people that will, presumably, continue to be added to their middle class resulting in more cars, more electricity, more gadgets, more plastics, etc.
Unless China says "no, only the people that have stuff now can have stuff" they're going to consume more fossil fuels, construct more things with concrete, etc.
And in terms of global coordination, it helps to negotiate from a position of moral high ground if you can show that your country is doing its part to reduce emissions.
What seems completely, off-the-charts crazy to me is NOT the "China is emitting too much CO2" claim. It's the "therefore" that people stick on the end, sometimes implicit, sometimes explicit: "therefore we should do nothing." I lack the language to fully describe how crazy that way of thinking is.
WW2 disagrees, I think. You don't need to carpet the place with nukes - a few well-placed, climatically-harmless strikes will do. Will it trigger a species-ending global nuclear war? Maybe - but very likely not. Maybe people are smart enough not to end the species over such a thing. Maybe other people are smart enough to abuse that fact.
China is investing more in renewables than any other country [1], they have the most electric buses in the world [2], the largest high-speed rail network so you don't have to take a plane, the largest nuclear power build-out in the world and their emissions per capita are lower than US.
The younger and poorer countries actually take climate change more seriously than the West, we had 50 years to address the issue and did nothing about it. I would bet on China and India achieving 100% renewable energy before US does, despite them being poorer.
[1]https://www.statista.com/statistics/799098/global-clean-ener...
[2]https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-05-15/in-sh...
Coal is cheaper and they can dictate exactly where they’re built.
Moving 1 billion people a year by high-speed rail is far more efficient and flexible than by plane. 20,000 miles of rail in a country the size of the United States makes perfect economic sense.
China is making its decisions for reasons other than climate change.
Australian bush fires vs... China and India: https://twitter.com/simonsarris/status/1197612762039554048
The October California forest fires vs a Normal Day In China: https://twitter.com/simonsarris/status/1189229024951881728
I should have documented Brazil, too. Those fires cause serious pollution and carbon emissions, but they're peanuts compared to every single day in China.
China's per capita emissions are about half those of US or Canada (though still over the global average). That should help you understand how incredibly profligate North America is. China's growth in per-capita emissions also seems to be slowing while in the US, the per-capita emissions are basically static since 2012.
The USA is also the world leader in cumulative emissions (which is what really matters if you're trying to draw up a carbon budget or assign blame). While the biggest historical emitters continue to do so little it's no wonder that others don't take climate change as seriously as we might want.
Cumulative emissions sources and plots:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co-emissions?t... https://wriorg.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/uploads/historic... https://wriorg.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/uploads/cumulati...
These emissions figures will be assigning the manufacturing emissions of exported goods to the country that exports them, not the one that imports them. This is one contributor to China's high emissions: manufacturing loads of stuff for the west. Those emissions should really be attributed to the purchaser.
Source for CO2 emissions over time:
Nice table: https://knoema.com/atlas/ranks/CO2-emissions-per-capita?base...
Source data for that table: https://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/overview.php?v=booklet2019&ds...
The closer you get to the present day, the closer you are to the time on the historical timeline where climate change is understood to be a threat, and the more moral urgency there is to reign in emissions. It also makes more sense to consider what should be done differently about emissions last year, this year, and next year than emissions from decades ago.
But if China were rapidly increasing its emissions per capita, that could still be a problem, but that doesn't seem to be the case. China seem to have held their emissions more or less still for the last few years where data is available:
consumption adjusted: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/prod-cons-co2-per-capita
per capita with comparison countries: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?t...
In the same period, the US, and indeed most states have achieved only quite small changes to their per capita emissions. So the US has reduced emissions a bit, but from a much higher starting point.
My gripe is that westerners often leap to talking about China and India or, worse, overpopulation.
The implicit belief seems to be that foreigners are an inconvenient drain on global resources, that they deserve less than us.
This is not true.
What I'm not sure I follow is the relationship you seem to believe exists between per-capita emissions and responsibility to curb them. Emissions need to be curbed in proportion to their percentage of overall global emissions, not in proportion to per-capita consumption. You can vary the per-capita statistics however you like, and as long as the absolute emissions are the same, the damage to the planet is the same. Those emissions could be coming from one person or a trillion. If China had ten billion people, or fifty billion or a hundred it would still be just as incumbent upon them to curb such emissions as they are producing.
Everything else about "implicit beliefs", the "leaps" you believe people to be taking, the questions of who should or shouldn't be blamed are abstract, highly subjective, and while important, should be considered without letting them derail the conversations around needed next steps to curb emissions.
Of course this will be energy intensive. We essentially need to put the energy back into carbon that we got from burning those carbon fuels over the last two centuries. That is obviously a tremendous amount of energy. There probably is no way around this.
>we will probably need to be removing about 10 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide from the air each year by 2050, and double that by 2100.
>They’re hoping to use these gadgets to make carbonated water for soft drinks—or create greenhouses that have lots of carbon dioxide in the air, for tastier vegetables. This sounds very exciting … until you learn that currently their method of getting carbon dioxide costs about $500 per ton.
The numbers don't even look as bad as I thought they would. They at least seem achievable if we really wanted it. $500 per ton for 10 billion tons comes out at $5 trillion. The world's GDP is around $80 trillion. From a numbers perspective it seems like this is at least possible. Whether this solution will work politically is another matter though. My own suspicion is that politicking and corruption will make this a much more difficult and expensive process than it should be.
This article makes the future look less bleak to me than what I hear on the news.
They have a point I think.
https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-oce...
Even if it is, though, the Earth receives about 1000 years of world marketed energy consumption in the form of sunlight every year. So even energy-intensive carbon sequestration approaches like algal photosynthesis (promoted with iron sulfate, say) may be feasible.
They aren't though, algae is more than carbon and pure water. They still need various minerals which you have to input into the system somehow. To do this at any scale it means mining massive amounts and feeding the system, that's just one of the reasons why YC's own idea to turn to Sahara into a bunch of shallow algae pools [1] is absurd.
Yes, that's why iron fertilization is so effective.
> To do this at any scale it means mining massive amounts and feeding the system
Actually not. In conditions where iron is the limiting nutrient, each kg of iron fixes 83 tonnes of carbon, 304 tonnes of CO2. So sequestering a billion tonnes a year would require 3 million tonnes of iron per year. That probably sounds like a “massive amount” to somebody like you, but it's about 16 tankships full. The humans currently mine some 2.3 billion tonnes of iron ore per year, so we're talking about increasing iron mining by about 0.2%.
The Sahara idea might be better, I don't know. Certainly there are a lot more minerals in the Sahara than in the middle of the ocean surface. The mass of water you'd have to transport (and desalinate!) is clearly much larger than the amount of iron, and they call that out as the major cost. It wouldn't be limited by the iron-poor regions of the ocean, though, but ironically, it might create more of them. The US$50b cost estimate seems higher than other sequestration approaches.
This is the same sort of problem YC has with their proposed solutions, people on YC tend to be overly optimistic with the mindset of everything works 100% of the time with 100% efficiency with 0 unforeseen consequences so let me play devil's advocate with a dose of reality:
In a perfect system. In the ocean most of it will sink. In YC's Sahara project it would still settle and need to be skimmed and processed for release again (which only adds to the energy demands of the project, just the desalination and pumping requires more energy than civilization currently produces...)
> So sequestering a billion tonnes a year would require 3 million tonnes of iron per year. That probably sounds like a “massive amount” to somebody like you
And how many tonnes would you generate mining, transporting, crushing, transporting/deploying that iron?
>but it's about 16 tankships full.
"tankship" doesn't appear to be a specific thing according to Google but a 'bulk carrier' however:
"Most iron ore is carried in Cape-size ships, i.e. larger than 80,000 tonnes deadweight" [1]
and
"brokers should now assume speeds of 12 knots with cargo and 13 knots without for Capesize vessels, with fuel use of about 44 metric tonnes (mt) per day, Bloomberg reports" [2]
12 knots is 13.8094 miles per hour, let's assume each load needs to only be moved 1000 miles, that gives us 132.76 metric tonnes of fuel per 1000 miles. It looks like these ships release CO2, NOx and SOx and also pollute oceans via ballast water and biocides.
"Heavy fuel oil(No.6/Bunker C)" appears to be 0.85kg of carbon per kg of fuel [3].
So we need 4,978.5 tonnes of fuel, generating 4,231.725 tonnes of carbon just to ship that processed iron powder 1000 miles by sea and I'm guessing this is the smallest percentage of carbon that will be produced - I suspect the mining, trucking across land and processing will generate far more carbon but I can not find how much CO2 is generated to yield 1 kilogram of pure iron. Just grinding it to a fine enough powder that it actually suspends in the water for a reasonable amount of time and doesn't sink like a rock is going to be a huge power cost.
Of course if you are doing this in the open ocean, realistically you'll need much smaller purpose-built ships to cover a wide area and to disperse the iron in any reasonable amount of time. More smaller ships will be less efficient from a fuel standpoint than the larger ships, building purpose built ships for dispersing it means a lot more steeel/paint/etc being produced etc etc so on and so forth.
Never mind the unintended impact to marine life outside of the algae. What will that iron do to sea temperatures? What sort of toxicity might it cause for other marine life? How much will end up in polar waters possibly causing issues with ice formation or heating ice? What impact will it have on ships in waters that are being seeded?
[1] http://bulkcarrierguide.com/iron-ore.html
[2] https://shipandbunker.com/news/emea/779990-new-guidance-on-c...
[3] https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/co2-emission-fuels-d_1085...
So it's a terrible devil's advocate argument. I'd advise Old Scratch to fire you and see if he can get a public defender instead.
First, let's correct the calculation results. You've calculated that shipping 3 billion tonnes of iron powder 1000 miles from shore would burn almost 5000 tonnes of bunker fuel. But that is incorrect. It would burn almost 5 million tonnes of bunker fuel, according to your numbers:
You have: (3 billion tonnes / 80000 tonnes) (1000 miles / 12 knots) * 44 tonnes/day
You want: tonnes
* 4978509.7
/ 2.0086332e-07
That is, the calculation comes out to 4.98 million tonnes of bunker fuel, not 4.98 thousand tonnes of fuel as you said.Second, let's tackle the implications of this calculation, if it were correct. 4.98 million tonnes of bunker fuel, taking your figure, is 4.23 million tonnes of carbon, which is 0.004 billion tonnes. Since we're stipulating that this is the cost of removing 1 billion tonnes of carbon (and a larger amount of carbon dioxide) from the atmosphere, this is 0.996 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide removed, net. Your hypothetical fleet of ships used less than 0.5% of the carbon dioxide removal budget. According to your calculation error, it would have been 0.0005%, entirely insignificant. If you're trying to advocate for Old Nick, you're doing a terrible job.
Third, let's tackle some of the underlying misconceptions behind your argument, although I have neither the time, nor the patience, nor the knowledge to refute all of them. Iron fertilization is not carried out with iron powder; it is carried out with ferrous sulfate, which is water-soluble and consequently does not sink to the bottom as you suggest.
Ferrous sulfate solution is commonly carried in tankships, which are in fact "a specific thing": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankship. Ferrous sulfate is enormously cheaper to prepare from rock than iron is, and in particular produces enormously less carbon dioxide emissions, because it does not require reducing the iron to its metallic state, much less "grinding [iron] to a powder". In fact, in many cases, it does not require reducing the iron at all, because it's already in the ferrous state in rocks. It is industrially produced in vast quantities as an industrial byproduct of steel pickling and titanium refining (mostly for pigment production, not for the titanium metal), and, where required, by burning fool's gold. According to news reports, it's about a billion-dollar-a-year industry; it costs about US$2 per kg at the garden store, which puts a floor of 500,000 tonnes produced at present per year; however, a lot of it is currently treated as merely a slightly hazardous chemical waste.
Iron ores are mostly not, as you incorrectly assume, trucked across land, because they are sufficiently low in value that it is not profitable to do so. Instead they are transported by ship or train. But this is irrelevant, because no iron ore would be mined for iron fertilization.
However, even if iron were to be mined and reduced to obtain the iron required, this would be an insignificantly small impact. 3 million tonnes of iron per year are required to sequester a billion tonnes of carbon; current global steel production is about 1600 million tonnes, so this would be about 0.2% of current global steel production. Again, though, this is irrelevant because ferrous sulfate can be produced directly from iron pyrite without reducing it.
You assume that iron fertilization ships would be propelled by burning fossil-fuel carbon, thus adding to the atmospheric carbon dioxide burden, although the amount added is insignificant compared to the amount removed. But we're talking about a future in which serious measures are being taken to combat climate change. So it's likely that ships will be driven by Fischer-Tropsch synfuel, not fossil fuel, or, in many cases, by kites, or even by solar panels onboard. (It seems likely that the depreciation costs of ships will drive ships to continue to go fast, though, and that probably can't be done with solar panels.)
The 16 tankship trips per year we're talking about here are insignificantly small compared to the current total global shipping industry, so their total environmental impact --- aside from the iron fertilization itself --- is also insignificantly small. No purpose-built ships would be needed, and indeed the amount of shipping needed is so small that it would not justify the cost of building even a single purpose-built ship.
As for the overall environmental impact of iron fertilization, it is true that it is somewhat unknown. But some experiments have been done, and results are promising; the high-nutrient, low-chlorophyll "desolate zones" of the ocean where this would be done, amounting to 20% of the world ocean, though not entirely devoid of marine life that could be harmed, tend to become much more fertile. That is, the total ecological impact is unknown, but the balance of the evidence suggests that it's positive. The impact of the iron on ice formation is of course nil because the quantities of iron we're talking about are tiny traces; although presumably algal growth could affect ice formation, it would promote ice formation, because algae strongly reflect infrared light, while desolate waters are almost perfect radiation absorbers (albedo around 10-20%). The larger concern is that there isn't enough ocean that could be fertilized to absorb more than a fraction of atmospheric carbon. I suggest that you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLC before commenting further.
In short, you have not done your homework and appear to be merely making up random arguments with no basis in reality. I regret the need to state this so bluntly, but my previous polite and encouraging comment on the subject has been both downvoted and flagged into oblivion.
We pull carbon out of the ground with no way to ever (relative to human life spans) put it back, and it doesn't just "dissolve into nothing" like so much of what we do seems too, it stays in various forms on the surface "forever". We also pull so much oil from the ground that running out world wide is a concern we give some thought too. It's going to have an effect.
If I seem stuck on first base, it's because I regularly deal with people who don't believe in climate change.
What is the ultimate source of most of the nutrients that are used to produce the fertilizers? There are massive amounts of carbon, phosphorous, nitrogen, and potassium required.
Some of those nutrients, particularly phosphorus, are in short supply, until they hit a high enough price to start extracting them from seawater.
If you instead use the wood as lumber for durable items (such as houses and furniture), you will drastically slow the decay rate, reduce usage of other carbon-emitting processes, and make room for new trees to grow (which is extremely carbon negative). It won't solve the problem on its own, but it would certainly help.
As a citation, I give a tongue-in-cheek blog post from some years ago [1].
[1]: https://davidlowryduda.com/how-fat-would-we-have-to-get-to-b...
And yet I think freezing out CO2 out of air can be used even wider - re-processing air from atmosphere, instead of going only after exhausts.
I believe this has been disproved long ago. Trees don’t ever stop growing, and it takes carbon to grow. Recent studies show that large old trees still capture a significant amount of co2 due to their massive surface area.
Literally two lines later:
> But decaying wood and organic material releases carbon back into the air. A climax forest is close to a steady state: The rate at which it removes carbon from the air is roughly equal to the rate at which it releases this carbon.
Trees keep on growing, yes, but it’s the old, decaying material that releases CO2 back in the air again, compensating tree growth.
Edit: clarity.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/how-old-trees-help-climate-1....
I think the point is that a forest reaches an equilibrium at some point.
The forest has new trees growning and consuming co2, it has old trees still growing and consuming co2, it has dead trees/branches that releases co2. It's mostly at a steady state when it has matured.
Still, if you planted that forest at a place where there was no forest, the co2 it has bound up in the trunks and roots is removed from the atmosphere as long as the forest stands. Which might be tens or hundreds of thousands of years.
A forest can be in any unbalanced state at any age, it obviously depends on the ratio of dead to living trees and their size, as well as the climate. It's not a closed system that would need to reach equilibrium at some point. Forests will keep growing and trees will keep growing as fast as the environment allows and unsurprisingly, additional CO2 will help.
> the research suggests that almost 70 per cent of all the carbon stored in trees is accumulated in the last half of their lives
https://www.nature.com/news/2008/080910/full/news.2008.1092....
http://www.flanderstoday.eu/current-affairs/old-diverse-fore...
2. Use the excess energy to sequester CO2 out of the air.
Now if only there was a proven technology to consistently generate lots of energy that is clean, safe and has plenty of readily available fuel...
In addition to planting forests that we then harvest and convert to biochar at peak rather than letting them decay and release carbon back to the cycle, we need to use energy intensive means to capture carbon.
I have seen one proposal linked on HN that suggested direct use of a nuclear reactor's energy to do it... something like that would have the necessary power (pardon the expression) to make a dent in atmospheric CO2.
Essentially, we need to build machines like the ones on LV427 in the movie "Aliens"...large structures that are essentially nuclear reactors with some extra equipment to use all their energy to terraform.... Terra.
The carbon problem is a social one, not a technical one. This analogy focusses on the wrong aspect.
(Feel free to suggest a humane way to deal with those occupants, if you're convinced that you're furry enough not to need the open fire.
On the other hand, we're having this discussion on computers connected to the Internet, which, for the sake of analogy, we might as well call "the barbecue on top of the open fire in the living room.")
If you want to lower greenhouse gas concentrations, do everything, but lowering emissions is essential. The article barely mentioned it, but the most effective emissions reductions limit concentrations more than all capturing technologies combined.
The number one technologies to combat environmental problems such as climate change (but also all others -- extinctions, resource depletion, plastic, mercury, etc) are the pill, IUDs, vasectomies, condoms, and the like, combined with educating everyone on family planning. People knee-jerk respond with concerns about China's policy or eugenics, but many nations have reduced birth rates non-coercively, increasing prosperity -- Thailand, Costa Rica, Iran, and more.
A few generations of a global 1.5 children per woman average brings human population to sustainable levels with a reasonable level of material abundance, around 2 billion people -- for reference, the population before the Haber-Bosch process allowed us to turn oil into food. Any population more than sustainable only forestalls collapse. I'd like to say otherwise, and achieving on a global scale what a few nations did on a national scale is hard, but nature doesn't make allowances for something being hard. And we've known this for generations.
At the same time, probably everyone reading these words emits beyond the IPCC recommendations per person. Combining personal action by those willing to lead and set examples with education and legislation can reduce emissions per person. As ineffective as personal action is alone, it is a necessary first step to create role models and show that living sustainably is joyful and creates community and connection, not the burden and sacrifice people erroneously fear when they think of flying less or eating less meat. On the contrary, stewardship and taking responsibility for how our behavior affects others, especially those helpless to defend themselves, such as those breathing our jet fuel exhaust, creates some of the most joy, meaning, value, and purpose, as any parent will tell you.
We'll have to change our values to a steady-state economy based on increasing gross happiness and community from a growth economy based on increasing GDP. There are many examples of steady-state economies working for longer than our growth economy producing prosperous, stable communities, and one huge example of a growth economy wrecking the entire planet's biosphere, making it clear to all except economists that we have to stop growth or nature will do it for us.
Bottom line: 1) Reducing emissions is by far the most effective means to avert the worst disasters, even if some are inevitable. We can do a lot more and once we start we'll love it. 2) Personal action is not enough, but it's a necessary first step. It's also called leadership. Most don't want to lead, but those willing to will be the Mandelas, MLK's, Rosa Parks, etc of the environment.
Here's a challenge to illustrate my point. Where can I find the best popular science treatment of the specific question:
How do we know with certainty that human-produced CO2 is responsible for most (or all) of the temperature increases the earth has experienced in the last 100 years?
I have looked for such a treatment and found... nothing compelling. This is especially worrisome given that nebulous ideas of what caused previous ice ages and numerous interglacial periods within them.
If the source of previous events that grew an ice sheet 1 mile thick over New York and then melted it completely 12,000 years ago isn't understood, then how can anyone expect smart non-experts to jump onboard the notion that we know what's causing warming in the last 100 years?
This question relates directly to the article in the sense that we as a species are very good at causing unintended consequences. Sulfa and penicillin were seen as wonder drugs and started to be used everywhere prophylactically and misused. We now face the specter of planet-wide extinction events based on antibiotic resistance.
Pulling vast quantities of CO2 out of the atmosphere could lead to unintended consequences on an even larger scale without a solid understanding of the system we're dealing with.
Measurements. See:
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/...
https://climate.nasa.gov/causes/
If you want to know facts, the science (inc. raw data) is out there in open access journals. If you don't want to believe the science ("nothing compelling"), then nothing I can link will change your mind.
This just documents increase in atmospheric CO2 since 1970 and theories about what effects it might have. It completely leaves out the temperature changes in the 20th century and how there were warming and cooling periods despite steady increase in CO2, which quite obviously means there are stronger mechanisms involved (if there was cooling despite CO2 increase in the 60s/70s).
> It completely leaves out the temperature changes in the 20th century and how there were warming and cooling periods despite steady increase in CO2, which quite obviously means there are stronger mechanisms involved (if there was cooling despite CO2 increase in the 60s/70s).
The second graph shows that the warming/cooling is seasonal and that the overall trend has been up, in-line with CO2 levels. I don't understand what you don't understand about the second graph (your question is confusing, aside from explaining how seasons work on earth).
The second graph shows no temperatures at all, it's CO2 ppm / year.
> the overall trend has been up, in-line with CO2 levels.
That's simply not true. If you have more than a decade of cooling with steady increase of CO2 and recently more than a decade of steady temperatures with sharp increase of CO2, it's obvious that there are other factors involved.
> I don't understand what you don't understand about the second graph
You should take a closer look at it.
For example, the graph of CO2 concentration takes center stage. Fine, have a look at the caption:
> Atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations in parts per million (ppm) for the past 800,000 years, based on EPICA (ice core) data. The peaks and valleys in carbon dioxide levels track the coming and going of ice ages (low carbon dioxide) and warmer interglacials (higher levels). Throughout these cycles, atmospheric carbon dioxide was never higher than 300 ppm; in 2018, it reached 407.4 ppm (black dot). NOAA Climate.gov, based on EPICA Dome C data (Lüthi, D., et al., 2008) provided by NOAA NCEI Paleoclimatology Program.
So this is all ice core data, apparently. Except that the study was done in 2008. Yet there's a point clearly marked 2018 average in bold. Where did it come from?
I could assume that it came from atmospheric monitoring, but that's not what the site says.
Not good. Probably not ethical. When data from different sources are mixed together, but not identified clearly as having different sources, that's dishonest at best. And I see it all the time in the public presentation of this research.
Let's set aside the issue of whether anthropogenic climate change is real or not. I'm talking about presenting data to try to convince a general audience that something is true.
What I've seen so far is lacking.
All of our progress since the industrial revolution was made possible by cheap/free energy. Once we run out of everything from energy to fertilizer to metals to sand to our ecosystem and its biodiversity, there will be no slowing down, there will be collapse. Without fossil fuel based fertilizers we can say goodbye to the idea of food safety. Especially since modern fertilizers are the only thing that allows the dirt we use instead of actual soil to grow anything. And despite that we are still burning this stuff for personal transportation and having ingenious ideas like growing biofuel, of course also unsustainable in overexploitation. Because fuck yeah! Better yet, we are actually trying to replace oil in the transport and energy sectors with natural gas. The natural gas we need to not be faced with an incredible productivity decrease in food production. Its like people are straight up mad, we are talking about electric cars replacing fossil fuel to keep our transportation network running, and of course the freedom of getting to drive around in your own car. Completely ignoring how many batteries we could actually build before we run out of lithium without an real option for recycling. We were all born right in time to witness the waste of the last few hopes we have for decelerating and long term survival of human civilization on a few more years of unsustainable growth. And the best part, none of this was inevitable. And none of it is a surprise.
I understand. You don't want to be convinced. Fair enough. Why not talk about the economic aspect instead? When you pay $3.00 for a gallon of gasoline, the best case scenario is that one third of that gallon is used to propel your car while the remaining two thirds ends up in the atmosphere in the form of wasted heat and emissions.
Have you considered the possibility that oil companies are engaged in a disinformation campaign because they don't want people to stop paying $3.00 for $1.00 worth of movement?