Tesla Cybertruck reservations hit 146,000
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- Model 3 deposit was $1000, ~300k pre-orders in a few days
- Model Y deposit was $2500, but pre-order numbers are still unreleased
- Cybertruck pre-order deposit is $100
- Many people are placing 3-5 orders per household [1] due to buggy pre-order forms
- Tesla explicitly states (now, not previously) that "pre-orders" are not "orders" [2]
- Many aspects of the vehicle and presentation are otherwise nonsensical [3]
[1] https://twitter.com/btsparks/status/1198453324741111810
[2] https://twitter.com/lorakolodny/status/1198410917794312192
How can so many people prefer the status quo in car designs to something new and different?
You really hate Tesla and prefer the current designs from GM?
The single-motor $39,900 model is likely to be about as real as the $35,000 Model 3.
Overall I agree but we really need the equivalent of a corolla before EVs takes off, and sourcing lithium is a major pain in the ass. Thank god for the convenient change of power to a business friendly party in bolivia! (/s)
Then comes this angular abomination, a ballooned version of the robotaxis in Total Recall, and fits absolutely nowhere in this truck buyer's mindset.
You can take the perspective of blaming the truck buyer for being dumb, or lame, or not visionary enough, but that's not a reasonable or productive perspective.
As far as I can tell, this truck may appeal to people who are in the market for a Hummer-type extreme vehicle, hardcore tech futurists, Tesla fanboys, and people who don't give a shit and are willing to try whatever. None of these categories IMO represent today's truck buyer.
Disclaimer: I'm a tech futurist who doesn't give a shit, and I want one.
Edit: misspelling.
I’m not gonna buy one but can’t wait to see it on the road.
I think this design is supposed to challenge our concept of what we think is ugly and beautiful. It's intentionally shocking, and it's brilliant.
I don't think this is a binary choice. It's possible to both dislike current GM designs, AND dislike Tesla's cybertruck design.
The Cybertruck appears to have been pulled directly out of a cyberpunk novel entirely formed, it does look more like a movie prop than a real vehicle.
My initial response to the design was shock and laughter that it was actually a real product. The choice of materials appears to have been a response to the trend of Tesla's getting keyed - I can imagine someone in the design meeting saying "Try keying this, motherfucker". After seeing the ATV option I asked when they're releasing the light-cycles.
I have to wonder how much the design was tested for human factors and against typical truck workloads before it was released. Tesla seem to have taken some numbers on range, towing capacity and cargo and then decided to beat them all, but without considering what else makes a truck useful.
The sloped angular back makes me wonder what it's going to be like trying to get access to anything that's stored near the back.
There's apparently built-in L-track rails on the inside of the bed, but no outside fittings, which might make it more difficult to secure coverings over any loads.
The tail gate looks like it's stupidly heavy, partly because of the rolled steel but also because of the built-in ramp. The latches don't appear to be sturdy enough to ensure any payload remains secure, either.
The 'roller shutter' cover, while looking neat looks like it'll be an early failure point with dirt and grit getting into the tracks, jamming up the works. Also, any issues with alignment (eg if a load shifts) are going to make it a pain to repair.
All the sharp corners make me wonder how often you're going to curse the designers every time you whack your arm or knee against them, and if you use it as more than something to pick up the kids from soccer in, how long until they get dented. Yes, I saw the sledgehammer trick, but that was against a panel where it had the option to flex. I dare them to try it against the open back of the tail-gate - the kind of damage you might get putting whitegoods or pallet of bricks/tiles in the back.
Speaking of sharp corners: Tesla has a (historical?) problem with tolerances on their fit and finish - I notice the doors and trailers all have a bunch of sharp corners meeting, where those things will become very visible.
(I do hate that there is no dashboard)
"$100" in the context of "shiny new car" is so minuscule; tons of people are going to put that $100 even if the have only the faintest whim of wanting that car. And Tesla will be able to say, "check out our millions of reservations," as ammunition against the naysayers.
I love the design. It's how I wanted my own vehicle to be made. The most simple possible with the most strength and easiest to repair. I know it's ugly, but I...don't...care.
Please, someone tell me why stainless steel (as Elon designed this) is superior to aluminium (this is my friends primary argument, I think he hates steel) he said it was lighter and cheaper and didn't corrode as easily. (I know, but what can I say?)
That they could've made a dent resistant door out of aluminum.
Cold rolled full hard 301 stainless has yield strength of 1000 MPa. Tesla claims a 30x ultra hard, no one knows quite what that means yet, so maybe that’s 1500MPa yield strength. So call it 6-8x more dent resistant than aluminum at same thickness.
Tesla is using 3mm thick stainless. I can’t imagine standard car panels are more than 1.5mm thick.
Stiffness grows with square of cross sectional thickness.
So it is plausible Tesla’s panels are 20-30x stiffer than regular door panel.
Maybe that’s where they get their 30X from.
What’s your math say?
They used this dead-blow feature on the Cybertruck, but twisted the hammer 90 degrees on the "competitor truck" door. You can even see the effect; in the three hits on the white door, only the two where the hammer was twisted left significant dents. [1]
[1] https://twitter.com/paully_steaks/status/1197915960646107136
I get it, people might make mistakes in the design etc, but it’s not as if this is the first time Tesla has produced and released a vehicle into production, do you think they’ve considered how this car will cope with an accident ? Maybe you feel they think stainless is “cool” so went for it?
I’m totally aware you might be right, but I doubt they haven’t thought of this.
In all likelihood it didn't matter what the truck looked like at the reveal. All that mattered was that it justified another capital raise.
[0] https://bgr.com/2019/05/20/elon-musk-tesla-cut-costs-running...
You don't see a lot of manufacturers wasting weight on very robust body panels--in fact, quite the opposite, preferring aluminum or carbon fiber for panels, hood, and roof when practical.
My experience with aluminum is not great. But I appreciate understanding the value/cost/benefits for different design decisions.
Something in programming that helps a lot is to know when to follow the crowd and when to buck the system.
Is this a big deal or not?
Trump does this consistently: he'll misspell a tweet or quote a fact slightly wrong and the media jumps on him, replaying his error over and over, meanwhile the substance of his message gets out.