With C# it might be a different story, since the development cycle is fundamentally edit-compile-run an environment like Jupyter might give me an extra platform for in-between testing. I already use the Interactive built into VS quite a bit to figure out, for example, just the right format string for Datetime.Now.ToString() or stuff like that.
It isn’t really aiming to replace a dev environment like VSCode.
We’re seeing a rise of notebooks in particular because they encourage writing a lot of plain text around your code, and that’s really good both for teaching, and promoting good documentation skills for learners.
>encourage writing a lot of plain text around your code
Is this targeted at non techies? Teachers?
Can someone provide some good example of this? Not having used it much trying to understand what the advantages are over good quality documentation/tutorial pages on say msdn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literate_programming#Contrast_...
You can even have a notebook run in a cluster.
Well, that's exactly what Databricks does.
Sure! Here are some ways I use notebooks:
Imagine any scenario in which you'd rather make a video to demonstrate how something works. For a lot of those cases, a notebook is a great way to show how the code works and how it all comes together.
Another set of use cases is you've done some research, need to call a few api's, post process the results, and share that with your team or have it ready for later to do something similar. You could think of this as a "Super Postman". For example, you need to run some api's in a loop, filter the results, and accumulate some things and print totals at the end.
Another use case is you're troubleshooting an issue, and want to keep notes of what you've tried, what the results were, and be ready to go back and run things again.
The use case is basically a scientific journal. You collect data. Analyze it. Make plots. Write notes (e.g. with equations, or diagrams). All in one place.
Then you can share the notebook with anyone else. If they have similar data (in the same format), they can execute the notebook on their data and get the plots all in one place.
It's great for data oriented work. It was never meant as an IDE replacement, nor as a general purpose development environment.
Can't imagine trying to pump my data into someone elses pipeline and crossing my fingers for results!
In a previous job I had set up a notebook to analyze some of the models our team produced - it was essentially a Q/A notebook that generated data from our models, algorithmically looked for unphysicalities in our models, and plotted any it found.
The rest of my team used it for the models they were working on. The alternative/old way was just too painful (lots of manual steps).
But although reuse by others is a touted feature, it's not really that important. It's incredibly useful for one's own workflow. Think of the convoluted Excel sheets people often have at engineering companies. They get new data, copy and paste it into Excel, and get new plots. This is no different.
It's a convenient way to present both data and narrative to whoever might need to see it.
I also like being able to run snippets when writing scripts, at least when it comes to building/testing. I'm more on the data science side than the dev side though, so that's probably why Jupyter Notebooks appeal to me more than other IDEs.
Edit: if you think “oh that’s nice, just like Java/C++”, HECK NO. It goes beyond this, where complex modeling can easily be represented and things like pattern matching and other features not known in other langs
That said, improvements to the language can only go so far. We're trying to figure out what a good set of libraries for the whole range of ML tasks looks like for F# and .NET.
The key, IMHO, is going to be getting some influential people and projects on F# generating code and blog content. The user experience of getting setup for them and the audience they reach needs to be streamlined. From there if it JustWorks™ F# should do the rest of the selling :)
And to digress, because I always mention this when talking about F#, it deserves a batteries included web framework story as good as Elixir's Phoenix.
I'd check out Saturn for that: https://saturnframework.org/
Since C# is my daily language, this is pretty cool though. I just really wish that I had a use-case strong enough for it to overcome the initial pains of learning it and the ongoing mental maintenance of staying usefully fluent in yet another set of libraries.
That being said, I've found the only way I can get interactive programming to stick in my mind is to pick a sample dataset, wonder some open-ended questions about it, and then answer those questions in a Jupyter notebook with the help of Google, documenting your thought process as you go. A great starting point to find real-world sample data is the UCI dataset repository: https://archive.ics.uci.edu/ml/datasets.php
And to ”close the loop”, you can of course access vscode using browser with Visual Studio Online [2].
[1] https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/python/jupyter-support
[2] https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/services/visual-studio-on...
This is me_irl
like others said already, jupyter isn't a development environment and trying to use it like one is asking for trouble, but it is a great REPL on some awesome steroids.