The Kindle is fine, but could’ve been much more
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They're right that it could've been more. Back in the early days, after the launch of the second version, many people internally saw this. If this works for books, it should work for magazines! Newspapers! Websites! Crosswords! Apps of all sorts! Social networks! The possibilities were endless. Teams scaled up, rapid category expansion ensued, Amazon started grappling for dominance in eBooks and all these other categories.
Then the iPad came out. I remember going with my boss to the Apple Store on launch day and buying one; the future of the Kindle felt pretty clear. Our product was stuck with a shitty general-purpose display technology and a clunky SDK not suited to external developers. Then, Android launched. The writing was on the wall. eInk was going to be niche, the Kindle group pivoted to the Fire, we all know how that turned out.
The failure of Kindle as a better, more general purpose device is a great lesson in business strategy. Thousands of smart engineers and product people were dedicated to making it the next big computing device, but in the end they failed to build a platform, and the platform players ended up on top. They're still trying to get over this failure with the Alexa series of products, we'll see if they succeed.
I think it's a cool technology, but probably needs more money/time to be general purpose.
Light Phone: "dumb" phone (https://www.thelightphone.com)
Freewrite: word processors (https://getfreewrite.com)
reMarkable: notepad (https://remarkable.com)
1. Vendor lock: You can't install or change most of the things including OS and Apps.
2. Locked down OS: You can't do anything with your device. If you try to change the OS you'll maybe brick it.
3. Planned obsolescence built in: If the vendor decides it's "time to say goodbye" you won't get updates anymore and probably feature by feature your device won't work any longer. After some time it's so old, insecure etc. you don't even want to use it to do even the simple tasks it was designed for.
The kindle isn't a reference for me in this sector at all. If you want to start the discussion about nice e-Readers you should consider comparing the Sony DP, Onyx Boox Note and the Remarkable. Those are the leading innovators and so far I'm afraid I haven't seen any device that can compete.
Personally I'm waiting for an eInk device with color (at least some colors), wacom pen that works without battery (like in Onyx & Remarkable) but an open, real linux on it so you can do anything with it. The Onyx comes close to this as it uses android but as we all know it's not really the linux you want when you wish for a "real linux" ;-)
I'm a bit sad that innovation in this sector stopped and I'd be willing to pay up to 1k $ for the described features.
I remember there was a company that sold laptops with hybrid screens - that could do e-ink when used outside - but I think the screen manufacturer folded.
Good color would be nice - but it doesn't look like anything will beat oled in that department for the forseeable future.
If the remarkable or onyx devices were a bit more open - I would probably buy one. But as it is, both appear to be stubbornly making it difficult or impossible to install modified kernel/os :/
Could you have been thinking of Pixel Qi and its LCD panel that could operate in transflective mode in daylight?
I think there was also a small manufacturer that shipped laptops with e-ink (or pixel qi) screens for use outdoors, like on a sailing boat - but I forget the name. Something with "sun"?
I bought an Onyx and so far it does well with tasks like note-taking, viewing PDFs and books without scrambling everything and also annotating.
What it lacks most is the colors and exporting "notes" as vectors (the resolution is not really good so I can't use it for sketching).
The display idea sounds interesting, sad it had to die :-(
It's practically a market failure. There was a color eReader[1] running Android 8 years ago (a small tablet before the iPad mini and Nexus 7)! That mirasol display is still better outdoors than the iPhone 11 Pro or iPad Pro at max brightness. If anyone took that old display tech and put it in a modern body I would pay up to $1K for it as well
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc1k6mlbN8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUGRlsKzai4
Edit: The once-bright future of color e-paper (Engadget) https://www.engadget.com/2013/09/05/the-once-bright-future-o...
I really hope we'll see the day someone revives this technology and puts it in a shiny metal case.
Wow this looks awesome and it has been 8 years since!
At least you can run Android apps on it and use a shell if you want to.
All that aside, you can run debian on a kindle: https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Debian_Installation_on_Kind...
You can also run most linux applicaitons, provided you can cross-compile them. This guy has a bunch: https://www.fabiszewski.net/kindle-terminal/
I've jailbroken a lot of devices and in my opinion it's too time consuming and tiresome to do it very often / on a regular base.
It's okay if people have fun with tinkering and it's a great way to learn. But nowadays I'm really glad when something just works and I can do the things I originally intended to do with them ;-p
In terms of an e-reader/writer it means reading, annotating and sketching instead of trying to get SSH, unlocking the bootloader and flashing unsupported firmware.
Too often I did this and ended up with a (partly) broken, sometimes working but for sure not very safe device that could barely do what it just wasn't intended to do.
BTW that Debian on Kindle looks like a nice POC just like some guy who put Ubuntu on it but it's not really useful if you can't use all the apps etc.
The list of apps which have been compiled so far is not long enough and I could not imagine doing much useful stuff with it I'm afraid. Nice work though.
Sony DPT-RP1: 13" display, only displays PDFs. They added a feature in it to one of the updates that you can use it as an external monitor. Haven't tried it yet. Sony is extremely slow when adding new features and updates, it seems like their release cycles are every 2 years. The screen is I think the best on the market right now.
Sony DPT-S1: 13" display, only displays PDFs. This is the older version of the RP1. Oddly enough, it has a lot more features software wise. It has a web browser and SD card reader. Using a browser on an e-ink display is possible, but it's painful to use. It sucks typing out a URL and scrolling because of the refresh rate. It would be somewhat better if there was a way to turn through webpages instead of scrolling so the screen would only refresh once.
Onyx Boox Note 13": Onyx e-ink devices use Android (older versions of Android). The good thing about these devices are that they could display almost any type of format - PDF, Mobi, Epub, etc. The UI is somewhat clunky and could use some polish and so could some of the English translations. The updates come more frequently but it's a gamble on whether the new features are worth dealing with the new bugs they introduce. The larger versions you could also use as an external monitor as well.
Remarkable: 10.3" display. Best note taking e-ink display I've ever used. It's almost like writing on paper. I would only use it for drawing and note taking though. When transferring PDFs, it converts the files to their own format. They also have an app which allows you to sync files with your phone. Their last major software release they had to pull twice because of bugs.
Amazon Paperwhite: Nice small device which allows you to read in the dark. Most of the large e-ink displays do not have backlights. Great for reading anything that doesn't have graphics. Do not read PDFs on them.
Microsoft Surface: Not an e-ink device, but portable enough that you can read any format on it and more. Comparable in price to a lot of the 13" e-ink displays since they normally go for $500-800.
I've never found one best e-ink device out there for all uses. They all have certain things they excel at. They are all lightweight low-powered devices though, so if you want to do anything besides read or write text on them you'll probably end up being disappointed.
Sony: I haven't used them but considered buying one until I read about the restriction to PDFs.
Onyx: I bought the Boox Note and so far it's the best e-reader I owned. The refresh rate is good enough to use some Android apps but I don't really need them as I use the device for reading and annotating / note-taking.
Remarkable: I didn't buy it because of the strange file format support and though it runs on linux it appears to be even more locked than the Onyx.
Amazon: No comments on this other than "nice for reading certain formats".
Surface: Has no eInk - I think it can't be compared to the other devices.
That is true so I think we just have to wait for this device to be invented some years from now.
I have a few complaints - I wish the device wasn’t so slow or that the e-ink display didn’t take so long to update. I wish the keyboard had autocorrect because I’ve come to rely on that quite a bit. I wish it would use a USB-C cable so I could carry around fewer chargers.
But otherwise, I’m pretty happy.
I’ve had this complaint with the kindle for 12 years
And additionally, Amazon seems to have given up on the large form factor.
> For all I love about it, it seems unlikely to ever progress beyond its current role as a pleasant book reader largely disconnected from all other sources of content.
that summed it up for me. That's all I want. I want it to be disconnected from all other sources of content. I don't want to be interrupted with a notification saying that x website uploaded a new article or whatever.
That a Kindle is boring is a feature, not a problem. I don't pick up a Kindle for the Kindle-ness, it's for the books on it. With the right book, some days that boring Kindle is the device that I just can't put down.
Frankly, I wish Amazon would stop with stuff like Goodreads integrations. Take that out and focus relentlessly on the reading experience - better display, better battery life, better ergonomics, and most of all - better typography.
Considering newspapers were black and white for hundreds of years, and for a long time printed color photos as black and white, this seems an odd conclusion.
When you have a paper book whenever you pick it up you see the title and the author and the cover image. I find I still remember these from books I read long ago.
However on the Kindle you only see the cover of the book you are reading if you make an effort to scroll to the start of the book - by default the kindle starts you at the first bit of text.
Kindles also don't show author and title on each page like (some) paper books do.
I find I can read a Kindle book then have no idea who the author is or what the title of the book I've just read was.
I'd really like it if the Kindle (as an option as it wouldn't suit everyone) showed the book cover of the book you are reading when it is off. Then when you come to pick the kindle up and turn it on you see the cover, title and author.
That tiny change would really improve the reading experience for me.
Fix that, and I don't need anything else. It's the paperback book I always carry with me, only the book can be swapped out at a whim.
Sorry, what distinction is being made here?
Walking through soft sand is simply slow and tiring. That’s it; you can do normal things, it is just slower. But the Kindle is like walking through mud in that mud tries to pull your boots off, you get filthy, if you get in too deep, it’s hard to get out. I’ll walk through soft sand, but I avoid mud if I can, just like I avoid clicking on anything other than the Kindle’s page turn area if I can avoid it.
I bought the Kindle Oasis, really wanting to like it. At least it brought back the page turning buttons. But they got the buttons wrong. The KK got it right. You can read and turn pages with one hand. Not so on the Oasis. And the Oasis is so slippery it's hard to hold it vertically. I was astonished at that.
The KK doesn't slip out of your hands.
I like the KK so much I bought two of them, so I have one when the other dies. I don't understand why each successor is worse.
Bring back the DX!
I'm just being finicky, but I still find the e-ink screen flash a little distracting from the flow of reading (even in newer screens that only need it every 6 pages or whatever). Just had a stray idea: what if an e-ink reader had an accelerometer and a screen on either side; the next page is already ready to read, and flipping it over silently preps page n+2 on the screen you were just reading? :)
I've worked on a service which converts web articles and sends them to the Kindle using Amazon's send-to-kindle feature. If anyone wants to try it: https://pushtokindle.fivefilters.org
I've been using it for a while and it changed the way I read the web. I subscribe to RSS feeds with Feedly, then use p2k to send the ones I want to read. Then when I'm eating my lunch I can read interesting stuff without getting sucked into the temptation of aimless browsing, and on a nicer screen. An added bonus is that I don't get exposed to the cesspit of the comments section that seems to lurk at the bottom of every article these days :)
Personally I used to find the flash bothering at first, but now I actually set mine to full-refresh on every page change to totally avoid burn-in. It's not a worse distraction than physically turning a book page.
The one thing I did not buy it for was to use as a tablet. The fact that there is a web browser on there is a neat feature at best.
The Boox is awesome. It was expensive, but I think it was worth it. It's a huge 10" paperwhite tablet that runs custom Android. You would not want to lay in bed with it because of it's size and weight, but you can read large PDFs that are difficult to view on smaller screens (mostly due to obnoxious margins and font choices).
Because it's Android I can install browsers and other apps that I might want. I mostly just use it as a boring reader though.
The Onyx software isn't perfect, but it's pretty good considering. They are innovating, which is more than I can say for Amazon or Rakuten/Kobo.
Onyx Boox Note Pro and ReMarkable are a completely, utterly different price tag and purpose than a Kobo or Kindle. A Kobo goes for 100-200 EUR (expensive ~40 EUR smartcover recommended though). Onyx Boox Note Pro and ReMarkable go for 350-500 EUR or so, and are also meant for drawing / note taking.
I'm wondering what innovations you need on your Kobo though. I would like to have Calibre support, so that I don't need to have my books stored on the device, but 8 GB is a lot of space for books anyway. Other than that, it Just Works (tm). Syncing works. I can even put the radio off to save battery. FWIW, you can even run custom apps on them.
The KKB's screen looks better to me than the paperwhite's (the text seems to be more on the surface rather than below it) and it's got buttons -- but no back light.
The paperwhite's backlight makes it convenient because I can read it in bed -- but no physical buttons and the backlight is very blue, which I find annoying. Sometimes it hurts to read it in a dark room.
The phone is almost perfect. I can set the text to white on black, use Night Shift to make it even warmer, so I can read for hours in a dark room. It's always with me so I can read anywhere -- but I don't feel like I'm reading a book when I read a book on a phone. It feels like I'm cheapening the experience somehow.
Physical books are the least convenient. The reading experience is the best here though and it feels most like what I think reading should feel like. I can easily flip around if I've forgotten some reference. I can easily see my progress. I can put it on a shelf and see it as a reference to a reading experience.
It gets to the point of me buying a book, starting it on a kindle, switching to the phone, buying the physical copy, reading that for a bit, then back to the phone. And the problem here is that switching formats feels even less like I've read the book than reading it on the phone alone. It's like it wasn't a homogenous experience.
I just want to settle on one way of reading a book but can't. I think this is what is called option paralysis.
I wish Apple would make a backlit e-ink tablet for books. It really is the best way to read things cover to cover and it eliminates the distractions that come with reading on the phone. I don’t expect they’ll ever do it, but in this world where you have to opt in to an ecosystem, that’s the one I’d prefer to opt into.
Setting aside the dream of a DRM-free world, what I’d love is
- aforementioned backlit Apple e-ink reader
- iBooks app to work with Overdrive (the library-lending app)
- iBooks app to make its margins adjustable or at least not take up 20% of the horizontal width of the screen
- iBooks store to have a wider range of books (I was recently unable to get both _Theory of Bastards_ and some other notable book there that I forget the name of)
- I actually sorta like the way kindle handles comics and graphic novels
Looking at the list above a same person might ask why I don't just go with kindle instead of iBooks; the reasons are that a) there are certain aesthetic things that get under my skin about the kindle, and b) using the kindle means investing in the kindle ecosystem, and I'm not sure I want to do that for reasons.
I've been thinking of going back to paper books but reading in bed at night is so much nicer with a lightweight, backlit device. I know it sounds pathetic but trying to read one of Neal Stevenson's tomes while lying in bed is a challenge.
Anyhoo. Option paralysis! Right on.
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On my Kobo, I can just make out the individual front light LEDs on the bottom of the screen if I tilt it up.
I say lets let it be.
From what I understand, the publishing industry is to blame, thanks to their fear of cannibalizing audiobook sales. I will never forgive them for this.
Sorry, I assumed people here were familiar with accessibility tech. (If I recall correctly, the marketing material for Kindles used to use the term 'TTS', I don't think it's that obscure.)
Think of it as an accessibility issue. Full words are more accessible.
If TTS is fair game in the context of e-readers, ms is fair game... literally everywhere.
It's a quality android tablet with a high speed e-ink display.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/not-ereader-first-e-ink-m...
It looks cool and the idea of an eink monitor is appealing. I have a Onyx Boox Note Pro that I bought a few months ago that can apparently do something like this but I've not actually tried it.
For me, it is the biggest feature! Normally I cannot read - I get distracted every few minutes or so.
(Though, there are things missing. I would love a better experience of reading previously saved articles, on Pocket or with subscribed newspapers. There are workarounds with Calibre, but it gives an overall experience too bad to read it regularly.)
I don't know if this is a sign that "people who care" have left the Kindle team. It's just so plainly wrong.
Other than that, if you're listening: Please give me Dvorak keyboard. My kindle is the only device I own that can't do Dvorak.
Kindle is a perfect tool for one and just one task: longreading. It's display is optimized for hours of non-eyes-violent usage, including before-sleep time with internal lighting only. It has a great battery life, it's compact and can be fit into almost any inside pocket, it's really lightweight — 33% to 50% less weight compared to similar form-factor tablets.
It doesn't need an internet connection and it is great: no distraction! It is a natural selection for airplane or time far from civilization. I like sailing, and there were tons of great books and articles read during sea passages and anchorage evenings.
Maybe, just maybe, it can be better with file transfers. Something like Bluetooth or direct WiFi. But I have a small USB OTG adapter for my Android phone, always tucked into a Kindle's soft case, so when once a month I want to read something on my Kindle immediately - I just use it as an external drive. My condolences to Apple ecosystem inmates.
(I actually understand that it is not in Amazon best interests to have a good file transfer for Kindles — it messes with their business model. $1.5 OTG adapter is just fine)
If it succeeds then maybe amazon will get off its butt and do something about it - https://remarkable.com/
I’m happy to use the cloud service in general but I also am regularly in areas with absolutely no internet access and love that I can load ebooks directly onto my kindle via USB and that Highlights/notes in Kindle are a standard .txt file. I also want to be able to back up all my notes to my PC and access them there for safe keeping.
That’s the only thing holding me from buying a remarkable, a fear of lock-in.
And you can use the device without the cloud connection.
Source: https://support.remarkable.com/hc/en-us/articles/36000264829...
Epub seems to be present everywhere and I always need to convert it to mobi/azw3 while uploading...
Almost definitely money. Amazon want you locked into their ecosystem as much as possible.
But you do bring up an interesting point - I'd forgotten about ingestion via email. Worst case I suppose one might construct a pipeline that does conversion from epub to mobi and emails the result.
Is there a limit to the size of the library I wonder?
Edit: apparently you need to change the extension to .zip for it to work shrug
The best would be to design a dual screen book-like device like the "Surface Neo/Duo" but with e-Ink display (preferably colour) and give me an easy and affordable way to download Technical papers/Textbooks (mainly in PDF format). Allow markup/annotations and the ability to print/export notes/everything and every Student/Teacher/Professor will buy one. Bonus if i can use it as a second monitor (ala Onyx Boox Max 2). No other distractions are needed. All the money goes into the display and giving me a complete immersive book-like experience.
This statement is made as if the author thinks rendering the contemporary web is a trivial achievement.
Now, I'll admit that there is an enormously complex process required to render modern html and css properly. But there are several engines that do this rendering and are available as open source. So it is easy to render web pages... use one of these engines.
And e-readers use Android, but the technology is used with the bare minimum amount of effort.
One very obvious change is to implement scrolling one page at a time, instead of a very slow slide-show of unreadable text until it finishes scrolling several seconds later.
So, yes, it can't even display web pages well, because they don't try to modify the browser for the medium at all!
Also love that it is a pretty dumb device just for reading. Since it has no camera or potential to attach one, it means it is allowed into places like the sauna where phones and tablets are prohibited.
I'm not so impressed with the newer models. Switching to a touchscreen instead of the physical buttons is a huge regression. If mine ever dies I'll have to fix it or find a refurb.
Reading with one hand on the Kindle Keyboard is great. You can stand in the security line with one hand on your luggage and the other reading the KK.
I have no idea how the touch interface ever got through Amazon usability testing.
Some of the blame lies on the publisher's feet. They literally colluded to stop Amazon's rise. However, Amazon did not think of reading as an activity you can create a platform around. You can, the rising popularity of Pocket is testament to that fact.
I'm basically locked to Amazon now, especially since their latest DRM hasn't been cracked yet (AFAIK). All the workarounds I know of result in a lower quality file.
The only thing I really wish they'd do software-wise is add reading stats / achievements — they have that for kid accounts but for some reason didn't extend it to adult readers.
The only thing that tempts me to upgrade is the new water-proof version so I finally can comfortably read while in the bath...
I used a zip lock bag to waterproof it. The touchscreen worked perfectly through the thin plastic.
Think it needs a new battery but apparently you can't get that done
Had a chuckle at the garish nails on the model of this one: https://www.adafruit.com/product/4243
It has been replaced with a jalibroken 2019 Kindle running Koreader. This is now the best ereader I have owned. Reads many formats, lots of customisation and has a Wallabag client for reading long form web articles.
I have paired this with Calibre on my laptop for managing my library.
One feature I would really like to see is a decent hyphenation engine for improved typography.
Seems that a Kobo and https://getpocket.com would be right up his alley.
(The recent Aura HD is a 300 dpi pocketable device comparable to the Kindle Paperwhite)
It's better in almost every way. The only downsides are: DRM, no colour, too small for books with diagrams and A4 PDFs (scientific papers), slower to navigate through pages, requires occasional charging, more likely to be stolen, doesn't appeal to people who like to make themselves feel superior by eschewing new things.
Just use your iPad if you want more than an “electronic book”.
Even if all you expect from the kindle is an "electronic book," they should at least attempt to reach parity with the typesetting of paper books, but they clearly don't care to.
And if you want larger for example a boox max 3 is 13.3 inch, "only" 2260 x 1650 for 200ppi though.
https://goodereader.com/blog/e-paper/will-we-see-500-or-600-...
I guess this makes more of a difference for japanese characters or I just don't know yet what I am missing :-)