Xfce 4.16 development phase starting
simon.shimmerproject.org
simon.shimmerproject.org
If you don't like client-side decorations, the annoying part is that there doesn't appear to be a good way to opt-out. You can configure your window manager to draw the system title-bars anyway, so that you at least have consistent pin/minimize/maximize/close buttons, but then you usually end up with a double menu. But also, the process of applications moving to this style usually involves throwing away the standard File / Edit / View / ... / Help menu bar, which can be incredibly annoying if not done thoughtfully.
I stopped using gedit because everything is now buried under a single hamburger menu, and interacting with it is infuriating.
This seems to be a common user story with all of Gnome3.
I think I'll probably hold out until Xfce becomes too unusable and then just bite the bullet and pick a tiling wm.
I tried awesome around 2012 for a while but found that I didn't like it. My tastes and habits have changed substantially since then so I might try awesome or another tiling WM. Before I used Gnome I used IceWM and I might give that another try too, as I think it has some basic tiling features.
The other part though expects this to be a compatibility nightmare. Are XFCE CSDs going to work out of the box in GNOME? KDE? Are we going to fragment Linux applications a third time, adding in XFCE-specific apps to the GNOME and KDE/QT fragmentation we already have?
I thought, well it is an open source project with people doing this on their spare time, maybe I should contribute to that project to help, but the issue is so widespread that there really needs to be a frank conversation about it so that all the teams start doing some basic polish on the presentation.
I'm very glad though that the font rendering nightmare is over in Linux and funny enough, IMHO now Windows has the crazy font rendering.
Heck, even GNOME3 is not that crazy if you ignore the whole Gnome-Shell bit (and yes, Cinnamon basically forks Gnome-Shell, as opposed to providing an entirely independent environment.) One could easily have an alternative "shell" portion providing an Xfce- or MATE-like experience, while still relying on the basic desktop-app suite that we get as part of that project.
I can see the appeal of i3 etc, but if all you want is a relatively mainstream DE that works & stays out of the way, Gnome seems about right to me.
Second, OMG it's 2019 and we still haven't developed the technology that would allow us to take screenshots that aren't covered in cute women. That was initially kinda cool 25 years ago when we were starting to get computers capable of rendering JPEGs in a reasonable amount of time. It seems less cool now when people are still using them to brag about their comprehensive K-pop collections.
To be clear, I have nothing whatsoever against cute women. I married one. But guys, a little real talk: these kinds of screenshots do nothing to make us look more professional. Can we start showcasing literally anything else, like our collections of tropical fish, or birds, or beaches, or...?
What is "professional"? I'm very glad that Xfce is not a company, because the term only brings to mind bland, sterile, mindless, and boring office-drones. Fortunately plenty of open-source doesn't shy away from being more... raw human (for lack of a better term.)
Professional advertising has always featured attractive women in screen shots or using products. They ipad page has attractive women in selfies: https://www.apple.com/ipad-10.2/ . The pixel 3 page has women in tight shorts walking down the street: https://store.google.com/product/pixel_3 .
The only difference is this is using a personal k-pop collection instead of professional photography.
Well, it may be a personal collection, but it's almost certainly also professional photography.
Because if you want me to "act professional", I can tell you that I'm not interested. I'm sitting in my home office wearing a bathrobe.
Not sure why the linked article is describing all this stuff as some big "secret"; the Xfce development list has been public forever. It's also weird to call Simon's public blog "secret".
I read a blog by dedoimedo who complains constantly at how willing Linux developers are to break things / not maintain compatibility. It makes me think of how I take for granted how so many of my old pc games will still run on windows 10. Not that the telemetry is acceptable
How long should older software like GTK2 be supported by upstream developers? Keep in mind XFCE is more or less a volunteer-run software effort.
If you're part of a performing group, having images of you splashed all over accompanied by statements of how much people like you ("Who is the most talented Twice member and why is it Nayeon?") is generally considered to be a good thing.
If only. These are selfies of women being used in the logo space. It changes to a new selfie every time you reload. Very creepy.