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Via-ipv6.com: enabling IPv4 sites for IPv6 only networks

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The title "Hacker News in Now Reachable via IPv6" is false. The Ungleich guys have done amazing work on promoting IPv6, but this is simply a proxy.

However, if you want to actually use HN over IPv6, then force it in your hosts file:

    news.ycombinator.com 2606:4700::6810:686e

This comment's written over IPv6. :)

If that works, why not publish a AAAA record?

Their moderation tools aren't completely IPv6 compatible. I've emailed HN every so often about IPv6 support over the past few years and they seem to have been making progress on it.

Proxying is a terrible solution, since it allows the middleman to read all your data and masquerade as you (since cookies are part of the data.)

Your should use the 6to4 tunnel provided by your ISP instead.

6to4 has been de-preferenced by most operating systems.

what isps provide 6to4 tunnels, or even 6in4 tunnels (which i can only assume you meant?)

(agreed on the proxying point, you'd have to explicitly trust the proxy operator)

It's de-preferenced relative to v4. Which, if you have v4, you should just use directly.

I was wrong above -- NAT64+DNS64 (not a tunnel) is generally what v6-only ISPs provide.

Slowly getting there, but (IMHO) until mobile telcos start to push IPv6, I'm not seeing the momentum pushing it into normality.

Thing is, IPv6 took a while to come about (1) to solve a problem that had in the meantime created many workarounds and alas those workarounds work and still carry on for so many. Hence the return on investing in IPv6 when you have existing infrastructure is outweighed by the costs still and in business - it just works carries more weight than Engineers desires.

I still wonder when it will become the dominant over IPv4, but even those news items saying that xxxx will be the year of ipv6 moved onto IOT and xxxx will be the year of IOT.

But good that HN are onboard, but what factors do others see are for the stagnant uptake on rolling IPv6 out?

(1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6 "In December 1998, IPv6 became a Draft Standard for the IETF, who subsequently ratified it as an Internet Standard on 14 July 2017"

edit add - formatting and reference

According to Google [1], IPv6 is now about 30% of their traffic.

[1] https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html

Interesting as looking at that zoomed in you can clearly see peak and trough playing out that seems to indicate that IPv6 becomes more popular during the weekends! Which would perhaps indicate that uptake and usage is more common with users than businesses users, possibly.

Not sure of exact explanation exactly, but certainly consistent trend upon that graph. Though does bug me when you have time based graphs using time and no indication what TZ the midnight/day cut-off mark used - may be using browser local, may not, you just don't know.

The most common explanation I've heard is that home and mobile networks are adopting IPv6 more quickly than businesses, so you see more v6 traffic on the weekends when people are using their personal connections.

Large ISPs (in the USA anyways) like Comcast turn on IPv6 by default.

Myself I use mobile broadband and no IPv6 option at all in any form available. Many ISP's in the UK still don't offer it as an option either. You do find the smaller ones will offer it. But in general, been lacking a push in the UK at consumer level, though that may change over the next few years.

https://ipv6-test.com/stats/country/GB

As I write this, I'm on a Comcast connection with IPv6.

My home has a comcast /60, so I could give every human on earth (call it 8 billion) an IPv4 worth of space (4 billion).

I've got a VPS as well with Linode that does IPV6 which makes IPv6 all the more handy.

In reality I just have a /64 for untrusted wireless, /64 for trusted wireless, /64 for trusted wired network, and /64 for untrusted wired network.

Nice that I can easily get to my OpenGarage widget remotely without having to redirect ports, or depend on some random cloud.

36% for the USA.

There are parts of the world where IP exhaustion is forcing the hand of ISPs. My home broadband connection is with a fairly minor player who don't have the address space of the incumbent telcos (but do full FttH), so I have native IPv6 connectivity, but IPv4 is through CGNAT. So I think the momentum is coming, just slowly.

For minor ISP's, offering things like IPv6 becomes a USP and one that appeals to many. Same such outfits make it easier to get fixed IPv4 in the past when the main streams would push you into business price rates to even consider such an offering.

Makes me wonder what level of peoples daily driver sites handle IPv6. Still not a good looking picture going by this: https://www.6connect.com/ipv6/ipv6-progress-report-top-sites... but slowly getting there. Though with Amazon and Twitter not offering them, that may be key pivot points.

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