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All the nightmares are nightmares until they're not nightmares. Weird launch day bugs like the I bug on iOS 11 are distant memories.

Yeah, these bugs are bad, but to me articles like this really feel a lot like a broken record. Every September and October, when the major releases come out, there are bugs. And then by the time you're on 10.xx.2 or iOS xx.1.3 a month later they're just a bad memory.

If you don't want bugs, don't upgrade right away. That's not an Apple-only phenomenon - remember the Windows 10 October 2018 update that had to be entirely retracted?

10.14 is still supported. 10.13 is still supported. 10.12 is still supported. Keep using those if you want.

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Except the rest of the ecosystem is constantly egging you to get on with it. I upgraded my phone to iOS 13 and right away it wanted to update the format of my Reminders, which would require I also update my mac.

I will “resist” Catalina as long as I can, for the simple reason that it will kill tons of much-loved software (from major games like xcom to small little opensource apps that may or may not ever get an update). But I already know at some point Apple will tell me that I have to move on just to keep some stuff working as before.

Someone get Apple marketing on the phone. They need to adjust their keynote messaging to: “It’s our best desktop OS ever! Oh and one more thing, don’t use it yet, it’s pretty fucked and we’ll hopefully fix it in a few months. It’s on you if you want to do our unpaid QA. And now, it’s my pleasure to welcome Bono to the stage to demonstrate the new animoji!”

> 10.14 is still supported. 10.13 is still supported. 10.12 is still supported. Keep using those if you want.

Unfortunately, not well enough. Catalina contains security fixes that apparently [0] haven't yet been backported to Mojave, let alone the others. I wonder how early or late into the beta those bugs were fixed; potentially, they've been patched for months.

[0]: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201222

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/07/apple_catalina_secu...

In the last years, Apple has only shipped security updates for previous versions of macOS when the .1 release of their new OS came out. So you either dive into a buggy .0 release, or you live with well-known security issues for a month. It's ridiculous.

> And then by the time you're on 10.xx.2 or iOS xx.1.3 a month later they're just a bad memory.

As are your files. The author states that some of these bugs are causing file corruption.

The author stated that the beta software did that over the summer. The author also stated that using their own personal account instead of a test account.

I’ve gotten calls from my mom after she’s done a software update and had a bunch of things break. She’s more careful now, but I think the expectation set for the general public is that when someone announces an update is available, that it’s not going to be Beta.

> If you don't want bugs, don't upgrade right away.

And what about people who buy new laptops? They're just screwed?

And, your new laptop hoses your iCloud so you lose functionality on your old laptop.

And, 10.12 claims to be supported, but you can't run the latest versions of some software (like Xcode). So, it's "supported(don't read the fine print)".

Yeah. I don't use any 32 bit software so I'm good there. Catalina has actually been the smoothest macOS upgrade I've had in awhile when it comes to all my 3rd party apps working. One annoyance was with some of my CLI programs (like Terraform) where I had to open them from the Finder right click -> open to get them marked as safe to run. That was expected though.

That cavalier attitude is fine for NEW features, but not for basic apps and foundations of an OS.

iOS 13 shipped with the Mail app broken. That's almost as bad as not being able to make calls.

Would a BlackBerry ever ship with a broken email app?

BlackBerry's first and only tablet (the PlayBook) actually shipped without an email app. Was it courage or a company falling apart, you decide :)

I mean Windows 10 May 2019 release was "deemed safe" only at the end of September. It is no surprise. Companies push to meet deadlines which in turn results in buggy releases. It happens in video games quite a bit too where the full release is nothing more than a buggy beta for a few months.

Okay, so you're saying that a dozen other games that I like to play sometimes are going to magically start working after I wait for six months before updating to the new macOS version?

These games are not even that old, released from 2010 to 2016 or so. And Catalina won't let me play them, because some asshole decided that I'll be fine without them, and removed 32 bit support from the OS.

Meanwhile, I can still play games from 1995 on Windows 10 without any problems.

But the second iOS X.0 is released, the support for iOS X-1.* is dropped immediately. The massive amount of security patches saved up for X.0 releases are not backported.

Couldn't agree more. These updates just aren't compelling. It's been a long time since a newer version had speed improvements. I stayed on Mavericks and El Capitan until support ran out. And I'll be waiting again until all the necessary 32-bit software has been ported.

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