The Gentleperson's Guide to Forum Spies (2012)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Threat_Research_Intellig...
Look at the presentation slides from below - scary to think we are subjected to their propaganda on a regular basis
https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
Very wide breadth and depth of the tooling used by JTRIG
If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.
Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'
A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'
I mean, FFS it even says one of the signs of a "Disinformationalist" is not believing in conspiracy theories. If you don't believe the CIA killed JFK, you're probably a spook. Come on.
We call them Social Media consultants, or PR crisis management firms in "polite society". They have other names as well.
Anyway, the main point is that oftentimes, no one really stops to think about whether or how this type of thing can be done. This document lays out a blueprint for it. In Engineering, as a rule, if you have a blueprint for the basics, someone will find a way to work it into a system. Awareness that someone has done so changes something fundamental in the pursuit of online information dissemination and discourse. At least I noticed a change when I first ran into it. I began to get a bit more religious about cross-checking sources, and paying attention to moderation patterns, and meta-posting behavior. So even if the original content it is based on is from a dubious source, the change in perception it evokes is still useful enough to warrant the occasional resurrection to the front of the public consciousness.
I'd also like to point out to you your post here, in the MKUltra thread, where you admit to it seeming more reasonable that governments would utilize disinformation campaigns rather than drugs.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21165647
>The goal? Probably not. The means? Probably. I believe it's more effective in modern society to influence people through disinformation campaigns and popular culture, particularly though social media, than attempt to control them like puppets by secretly dosing them with LSD and barbiturates.
I was going to reply there, but I thought it might be poor form seeing as this submission was based off of something I mentioned. Point being; it never hurts to take into consideration there may be a man behind the curtain every once in a while.
Just... Don't let it consume the rest of your life. Either way, I specifically dropped references to it in Hong Kong threads based on some fishy patterns I was noticing in the hopes it might help out a Hong Konger or two develop more resilient strategies to any possible attempts to utilize any of those mentioned controls against them. I don't know if it helped, but I doubt it hurt.
>FFS it even says one of the signs of a "Disinformationalist" is not believing in conspiracy theories...
So you ignored the most important parts (forum sliding, consensus cracking, infiltrating moderation, high level political/press management techniques, etc...) and jumped straight to the most dated, divisive, and clearly dismissable and irrelevant piece?
I didn't think a single contrived example would so effectively neutralize all the other useful information in there.
Anyway, take it or leave it. I'm just interested in people knowing that this stuff can happen, as it seems to me that knowledge that the techniques exist tends to confer some level of resilience against them.
No.. I literally started my comment pointing out that it would be useful for pointing those things out:
This clearly describes a number of methods that can be used by trolls and bad actors to disrupt a forum.
What I objected to is its utility in uncovering "disinformation agents," plants, spooks, spies, etc. Most of what's described in it is the normal low bar for any argumentative forum, biases and cognitive fallacies that anyone - particularly those of a paranoid persuasion - might fall prey to, and the result of taking it seriously will be to see bad actors everywhere.
And there's already too much of that sort of baseless paranoia on HN. People accusing each other of being shills or agents, or seeing nefarious motives behind the site's moderation. My point was that people should be just as critical of that as anything else.
Resource here features the following lovely topics:
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1. COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum
2. Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
3. Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
4. How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)
5. Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
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Discussed at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4277278
> Gentleperson -- a gentleman or lady
I wouldn't say it rolls off the tongue well, but it's technically correct usage.