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so what would you have expected them to do, break the law? when they said no to the FBI they did it while respecting the law. should they just have quit the entire chinese market?

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The best test of any company's espoused "principles" is when it is forced to make inconvenient choices.

Correct! Apple isn't surprised by the actions China took to get to this point. They've had their chances to stop, complain, and fight.

I would expect them to allow users to sideload applications easily so they can continue their protests in a form of mild malicious compliance. That's the least they owe their users.

I should be able to install any app I want from a download link, that's what I expect. Apple has no business to make a decision about user choices.

no smartphone works like this tho, literally none. that's what activist à la Stallman always pointed out. and they were right , ofc.

Oh yeah, Android is also completely broken by design, I'm not advocating for the way it works there either.

No, it's not. It's not perfect, nor is it trivially easy, but it is possible to side-load apps on an Android phone.

It should be something the common user can do, right now you need to go to enable some obscure and scary sounding settings to enable that, that's unreasonable.

It doesn't matter if it's "unreasonable". The key is that it's possible. It's not possible at all on Apple devices, so Android is superior in this regard.

Every android phone I've owned can install apks just by opening them in the file manager. Not all Android phones allow this, but many do.

On top of that many brands (asus, oneplus, even some Chinese brands) let you unlock the bootloader with official tools. Using this you can take full control.

So it's far from 'none'. I recently bought a zenfone 6 because it satisfies this criterion. Asus is even sending devices to alternative os developers to help them out. So we can choose to not support walled gardens, and it's not even hard. It's a question of getting people to value software freedom higher.

Apple is a publically listed business operating a service (the app store). Their board and directors have a legal responsibility to comply with requests like this.

Then maybe they should not operate the app store at all if it's incompatible with user choices. Or at least, leave the user a choice to just download an app elsewhere if they want to.

Clicking on a link and installing an app like you would do on windows seems the right thing to do.

How is that even relevant? The parent was specifically saying that you should be able to sideload apps so that even if an app was removed from the official store, you could still install it.

That's never been the case with iPhone apps. It's the app store or the highway. That's practically advertised by Apple as a feature of their ecosystem.

You missed the "I should be able to" part of the sentence.

Yeah, breaking the Law can be totally justified. Unless you want to behave like a slave company.

That's stupid. Braking the law is never justified. Companies have to take care of the money that the stockholders invested into them.

> should they just have quit the entire chinese market?

yes?

It's not just consumer sales. The manufacturing pipeline is dependent on China. It would end Apple.

You may as well ask, if Apple got an NSL, should they quit the entire US market? Or should they comply.

In that case, apple shouldn't say that they care about user privacy. They should say they care about user privacy as much as the government where they happen to be operating does.

Yes.

Which law, exactly?

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