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Mobatek's MobaXterm is a truly superior product:

https://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/

SSH, remote desktops, hugs & cupcakes for all my friends!

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MobaXterm is not free/open source software. This may or may not be relevant to you of course.

What do you mean? They offer a paid version with some minor bennies.

The product is of sufficient value that it's worth supporting.

From: https://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/

> Tabbed terminal with SSH > Based on PuTTY with antialiased fonts and macro support

MobaXterm and PuTTY cover very different use-cases, PuTTY being a subset with close to 100% feature parity.

It’s a great Swiss-army-knife of a terminal. One annoying thing that I’ve lived with for years is that it won’t start on my second monitor. I always have to move its window after starting it. I tried to file a bug years ago, but couldn’t find a way to do it on their website. Maybe it’s time to look again.

You're comparing an SSH implementation with a terminal (that seems to also include an SSH implementation).

For Terminals, Windows has a number of outstanding terminal apps:

- Windows Terminal (a tabbed terminal made by Microsoft)

- Fluent

- Hyper 3

- Terminus

- ConEmu

And a billion other maintained tabbed terminals, some with an SSH UI if you want it. As an SSH implementation though, openssh is probably the best.

That's right, putty is usable terminal first. I can get ssh in various ways on windows. Decent linux terminal is hard to find though. Nothing comes close to putty and clones. The worst part in various contenders is output speed. Many of them are ridiculously slow. I don't care how pretty that Electron-based terminal is if it's dog slow.

I don't know what "Decent linux terminal is hard to find though" means.

Linux has great terminals. Gnome Terminal and KTerm.

If by 'Linux terminal' you just mean terminal, Windows Terminal and Fluent aren't Electron based and are both quite fast.

I meant a terminal on windows to ssh to linux. Simple test - cat 50k lines of some logs. See how long it takes on various terminals. Under remote screen/tmux see if you can switch windows while it keeps flooding the screen. There is no reason for terminal to be slower than ssh. I tried windows terminal and it's slow.

Of course there are also fonts, copy/paste, colors, keys customization etc. But slowness is a deal breaker for me.

Ah I normally think of performance as in interactive latency.

You probably want alacritty then, it's GPU accelerated and designed to be ultra fast. No tabs, it's expected you add a Windows based tabbing window manager.

alacritty is ok-ish. Probably better than most alternatives. Putty is still faster. And putty switches between tmux windows immediately while streaming the output. While alacritty has a visible delay (some times seconds) for that. Sure if you're using local tabs instead of remote tmux it may not matter that much.

Are you sure? I thought Alacritty's whole claim to fame was hat they're faster than everyone for steaming huge amounts of text.

Ack re: switching between tmux tabs though.

Have you tried Windows Terminal or Fluent? WT is C++ so should be good (and has a huge team of developers on GitHub who are paid to make it not suck - if you have a bunchmark to show it's slower than putty on a task, they'll probably want to fix it.

Here is how to reproduce it. Ssh to a system with tmux. Attach to tmux and "head -100000 maillog" or whatever big. Measure how long till it's finished. Try to switch to another tmux window and back while it's going.

Repeat the above in another terminal and compare.

Windows Terminal is actually pretty bad under tmux but ok-ish without. Can't switch off to another tmux window while it's going either so basically locked in. That's unusable.

The argument could be made that tmux is an issue. But since 100% of my ssh is under remote tmux and it's fast in putty/kitty I can only blame other terminals. Even without tmux kitty is 2x faster than windows terminal. And kitty doesn't slow down under tmux.

Ah fair enough. I don't use tmux so I've never noticed it - that said it's pretty common - you should copy the above to the Windows Terminal GitHub.

I used to like it a lot but I've found it consistently uses about 4% CPU no matter if I have any sessions open

Do you have the Xserver turned on by default? If so, turn it off.

MobaXterm's colored terminals have saved my bacon more than once. Great app.

And, it imports PuTTY sessions seamlessly. A wonderful upgrade.

Another consideration is that the free version is licensed for commercial use, which is why I freely recommend it at work and with a clear conscience.

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