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The biggest new feature im looking for is the removal of the touchbar.

Until then, I’m going to just buy upgraded but used 2012-2013 macbook pros.

It’s one of those sounds good on paper but useless in real life. Not only that, it’s a hindrance for coders like me who need to be able to hit the escape button and other top buttons quickly with force feedback.

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This is about the desktop. not mobile machines. The predecessor to this was the trashcan, which had no touchbar.

There is no touchbar included with new Mac Pro.

but there's never a bad moment to complain about the touch bar.

Exactly!

This is the frustrating part. The amount of innovation pushed forward in desktop computing in the past 20 years and every once in a while they get some things wrong and people just can't believe it. Manufacturing and component commitments make "Oh just remove the touchbar" comments lacking of substance. Same with removing the headphone jack conversation–no one wants to talk about the trade-offs in making a phone waterproof whether they trade a headphone jack for a waterproof phone. Most people would, probably, which is why it is gone.

Sorry, I'm new here and half the comments I read are bickering about some feature a someone doesn't think it optimal for how they use their device.

> Same with removing the headphone jack conversation–no one wants to talk about the trade-offs in making a phone waterproof whether they trade a headphone jack for a waterproof phone.

This is not true at all. There are multiple Android phones that have waterproof and they have headphone jacks.

What did they sacrifice for that? Nothing is free and those plugs are large.

They replaced the headphone jack with a barometric vent which other phone manufacturers just put in a different location. Apple didn't have to get rid of the port. They decided to get rid of the port because they knew that their users would buy the phone anyway and then have more of a reason to buy AirPods. There is plenty of space in that corner though. Some guy wanted to see if he could add the headphone jack back and was pretty successful for a hand crafted solution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA

That is nonsense. He butchered that phone and definitely, 100% ruined the waterproofing function of the phone. Additionally, I'm curious which manufacturers you're speaking of because, the last time this type of comment came around, there was a distinct response of "most other phones don't include a barometric vent".

All waterproof phones with barometers would include similar technology. Phones like the Galaxy S7 which was also waterproof and which also had a headphone jack. The video is an individual messing around with a dremel and soldering gun. Of course it's not waterproof at that point, that was never his goal. It's ludicrous to believe that Apple had to remove the headphone jack when other companies showed it can be done just fine without and others have shown just how much space is still available in the phone. Your assertion that it had to be done isn't supported by evidence.

my bad, I read the title as a new MacBook Pro. Carry on.

OK, but there's a pretty big illustration of a desktop computer. Not sure how you missed that one.

Surely if esc is important to you you shouldn't be using the esc button as esc in the first place? Caps is both my esc and my ctrl and I wouldn't have it any other way. If f buttons are important just configure your fn-as-hyper+1 so do f1, etc.

Checkout karabiner and hammerspoon.

I'm not sure why people are downvoting you. I hate this feature on HN. I cant even read what you said.

It looks like any slight mention of negativity towards Apple are being downvoted.

The force is strong with this one.

No, it's not that. It's that you are posting about some unrelated gripe with another product line that's off-topic in this Mac Pro thread.

As for the other comments complaining about downvoting, it's discouraged in the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I still think we should try to be nice. At a minimum. She got downvoted again? Let's try to be more welcoming.

If you're logged in, all you need to do is click on the "9 hours ago" field of the comment. That takes you to the individual comment, fully visible. So it's only one extra click to read.

This unfortunately doesn't work if you're not logged in.

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