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Since when was nature.com a political organization?

Climate change is not political

If only you could convince the deniers of that. Speaking from a US perspective, they seem to think that the "libs" just want to hobble our economy because they hate "success" and "strength" and don't actually believe there is an existential crisis at hand.

The US has lowered it's CO2 emissions 10% since 2000. Thanks to the "right" and fracking. 16% in the EU.

If you eliminated US/EU production of CO2, atmospheric CO2 levels would still rise. The slight warming that would take place as China and India modernize their life will still happen.

If you eliminate US/EU production of CO2, atmospheric CO2 levels would rise 24% slower. If you added in a carbon tax that it levied on imports from countries that don't implement an equivalent system you can bet that China would lower its emissions too. If you're very fancy you can also offer to install alternative energy in foreign countries at cost price.

>If you eliminate US/EU production of CO2, atmospheric CO2 levels would rise 24% slower.

Thank you for confirming my point.

>If you added in a carbon tax that it levied on imports from countries that don't implement an equivalent system you can bet that China would lower its emissions too. If you're very fancy you can also offer to install alternative energy in foreign countries at cost price.

So the pitch here is... Let's risk war with a Nuclear power with a tariff stick and for a carrot offer a way to a worse standard of living then US/EU. This sounds real viable.

The alternative is risking war with a nuclear power for food and land that can be used for agriculture.

If anything, increased CO2 and temperatures is going _expand_ the amount of available land for agriculture. CO2, it's the gas plants crave my friend.

It might expand the available land for agricultural use, but that land is not going to be in the same spots as our agriculture is now. What do you think China will do when agriculture becomes harder in China, but there is all this Russian wilderness that used to be frozen and is becoming fertile? Or the US with Canada? Where do you think hundreds of millions of Africans will go when equatorial regions become uninhabitabe without AC?

Everyone I know that supports Trump is also a climate change denier. Concerns about climate change are liberal propaganda that progressives are trying to use to raise our taxes. It is very very very much political.

nature.com is scientific based (or at least aligned) organization. If your political stance is to ignore science, that doesn't make it political organization.

Great. You should also read through https://www.nature.com/collections/prbfkwmwvz to understand how fallible science as practiced today is. It's 100% politics and money generation.

I am not familiar with all of the reports listed, but with some of them. Science today has problems, but it had similar problems before. (gaming the system for self benefit is hardly new) And science still got done (otherwise we wouldn't be using computers or internet or electricity for that matter)

If after reading that you came up with:

> It's 100% politics and money generation.

Our world view is so different, that I am not sure that further debate has much point.

Have a nice evening/day

I concede it's probably closer to 80% money and politics. Have a good one!

Facts have a known liberal bias.

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