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Firebase does a lot of stuff. Originally it was a small company that focused on providing a real-time JSON-like backend store for web apps. But then they got bought by Google and seem to have evolved into Google's answer to a lot of AWS services, ie hosting, real-time DB, serverless, and probably more I'm not aware of.

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I've often looked at and played with Firebase since it does so much of what I need to back a React Native-based app for simple mobile games and utilities. I always end up talking myself out of it due to Google's history of pulling the plug on (what seem to an outsider to be) perfectly good, stable products that wouldn't do any harm to keep around indefinitely.

As a hobbyist, I wouldn't have the time or motivation to completely rewrite a project if that happened, which would be necessary since a Firebase app (like a heavily AWS-integrated serverless app) is not just technologically but architecturally tied to that environment.

This seems more applicable to consumer products, not business / cloud services, though I imagine I might be overlooking something.

That's a fair observation. I do go back and forth but in the end it's enough to swing me, in the principle-of-least-regret way.

So what do you use as the backend for now?

I usually go with a Django or RoR monolith, something that I know I can run on a cheap DO droplet or similar, and while there's a fixed monthly cost it's reasonable and I can scale up with ease (albeit manually). If I were explicitly needing the realtime DB aspect I'd probably look to Phoenix with the same hardware approach.

It seems like a pretty reasonable concern to me. We can presume the odds are pretty low, yeah. But the consequences are very high - you would need to redesign and possibly rewrite in another language your entire application. People complained up a storm about Reader dying, but it was a 5min process to export your subscriptions and import into another web reader that had basically the same feature set. Conventional Linux hosting, or even Docker, could be pretty easily re-hosted as-is on any of hundreds of other places.

It would be nice if there was a dead-simple Firebase-like tool you could self-host. ie just a single instance that you could point all your toy apps at to give them a little real-time persistence.

Parse was a Firebase competitor that got bought by Facebook and later open sourced, I don’t know if it’s dead simple though.

https://parseplatform.org/

Around the time that Parse (mentioned by sibling) was killed and open sourced, a lot of open source Firebase-like solutions had sprung up, some of which are listed here: https://github.com/relatedcode/ParseAlternatives#open-source...

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