Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system
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I thought it was the friction of the wipers themselves on the glass that takes the most power...
In any case, some research reveals that typical wiper motors are <50W, which even if that was reduced to 0, would be an insignificant fraction of the total power draw of an EV, the motor powering the car being capable of over 200kW (200000W). I doubt this is going to have much of an effect on the overall range.
I see what you did there.
50W for 5 hours is 250Wh, which is a mile extra range. That’s worth having.
(Sometimes you can bind together several little things into one big one worth doing, but human intuition is still often broken by the factors of magnitude involved. 6 %.0002 things still don't add up to anything significant, for insurance, even if it may feel like six things ought to matter.)
I imagine the most important way is to ensure optimal tire pressure at all times. Many people tend to ignore this even when having pressure sensors at hand which leads to a whole lot of wasted fuel.
The reason wipers only received minor optimizations over the decades is because they work well, are cheap and enviably reliable. So any new wiper system design has a high bar to pass, beyond using new tech.
That represents about 0.5% of a Tesla's advertised range.
* Only when it rains. (It's worthless the rest of the time)
* Only if all of the motor power is saved. (Presumably the new mechanism uses some power)
* Only if the motor is running at full power the entire time it rains (even on "high" this is not true).
* Only if range is not otherwise impacted by the rain (nope).
If it rains all the time, and the above are all true-- yes, it's worth 0.5%.
I found this out the hard way a couple of years ago. My 12V was dead, yet I managed to jump start the car and get it running. I thought it would be ok to drive to get a new battery, as long as I kept the engine running high enough. After a couple of km the dashboard lights started to dim, so I tried reving it as high as I could, but the battery wasn't able to buffer the power and supply the ignition system, so the engine stopped. It was rush hour and I was in the middle lane, so it wasn't a particularly fun wait for the tow truck.
Now that tickover and fuel injection is computer controlled or we have EVs, and there's a far heavier electrical load in all cars all the time, you never notice any more. They all take power, and decrease fuel efficiency.
(but be careful about driving fast in the rain)
I can be very critical of Tesla but if there's one thing they achieved it's making electric vehicles that look cool. I don't think many teenagers saw a Prius as an aspirational vehicle but I'm pretty sure you could find Tesla posters in many a bedroom.
The claim that "the electromagnetic moving block induces minimal friction" says very little considering you achieve the exact same effect with a classic wiper arm mounted on a single electric motor. You probably want more than one arm anyway.
I wonder though if it's the right marketing move and the right deployment of resources.
Car manufacturers found out a long time ago that car sales are not driven by these types of improvements. Cars are purchased emotionally and to a lesser extent functionally. Obviously a Tesla is an emotional purchase since it doesn't really make sense for most buyers to burden themselves with the higher price and inconvenience of an electric car. This seems a great deal like a little icing on the cake of 'we are just a better purchase down to this type of detail'. That's separate from the GP assertion that there is little power savings.
Sure it gets employees thinking of power savings (similar to when Apollo was done everything mattered down to the last detail). But the development and implementation of this is not trivial and it will take meetings and decisions and testing. What else could be done with those resources?
See also the Model 3's AC vents. Whatever their utility & whether its better than traditional ones, they are cool and futuristic and do their part to help the car stand out from the pack. Start adding all these up and you have something.
Car companies outsourced all these types of parts years ago, which severely limit their ability to pursue these types of innovations. That made economic sense when they were competing against organizations with similar cost-cutting strategies, and are a product of the era in which those choices were made and the business climate that encouraged those choices, but it leaves them at a disadvantage when a company takes a very different, tech-driven, vertically integrated approach to product.
When doing motor control work and dyno testing, one of the challenges is measurement of mechanical power (and even electrical) because you need to measure up to -200kW but you care about differences of 10s of Watts.
Heavy cargo & towing can push my power usage up to 50 watt hours per mile. Note that all numbers are based on no pedaling.
By the looks of it, it also need linear bearings, which are difficult to seal against leaves, dirt, moss, ice and snow.
I'm going to wager £20 and say its not a game changer.
They are, by themselves, not more power hungry than the corresponding type of rotary motors.
Their biggest problem regarding power usage is that they can't use gears to gain mechanical advantage. Since electric motor losses are roughly proportional to their torque (or force, in case of linear motor), it is often the case that the linear motor will require more power.
But a quick look at some of the windshield wipers mechanisms shows that rotary motors that drive them are in a mechanically pretty disadvantageous position, with a very short lever arm compared to what a linear motor would be. So it might work well in this case.
Certainly it will work for this case but ...
Saying this will give increased reliability, claiming stuff like "time and weather can lead to corrosion, making the traditional setup less effective over time" which is clearly nonsensical.
I've driven cars that are 30 years old with original wiper motor assemblies still in place. This is not uncommon. There is effectively zero room to improve reliability.
Still waiting on that.
https://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/10/business/patents-ultrason...
https://www.autoblog.com/2013/12/17/mclaren-ultrasonic-winds...
No, my guess is that this is to lock down the patent so they own it (and as many other even vaguely plausible concepts as possible) and can wield it in patent battles with other automakers. More charitably, you could look at it as clearing as much land as possible so that 10 years down the line their engineers are minimally encumbered by patent concerns and can build whatever they want. Typical corporate R&D, and not particularly deserving of a Car and Driver fluff piece.
[1] https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you
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So it makes sense that no one major would take up Tesla's offer, because they're not going to waive the right to sue Tesla.That's a little bit different than, say, Toyota, which offered to licenses out their patents royalty free with no strings attached and even offer consulting on how to use them for a fee. There's some guarantees there (or can be negotiated) that the tech/goodwill won't disappear on a whim.
Toyota announced the patent release five years after Tesla, and its mostly for technology released in 1997 for the Prius, hardly anything revolutionary now. By the way if you manage to find their contact form re. this, it says "We have closed accepting inquiries for technical support."
Some Mercedes models do this. The wiper shifts inward toward the middle of the stroke.
Also there isn't really time in a film to explain away not needing wipers, so rather than risk having audiences thinking theres bad special effects because the rain that's falling isnt also falling on the windscreen, they just put wipers on and be done with it.
It could also be that that futuristic car you saw flying in, and can still see partially in shot is just a bog standard car that they've dressed to look like a flying car.
(Two other solutions exist. One is spinning the window, you'll see it on ships. The other is making the window hot.)
An example, as used for machine tooling but the exact same mechanism used on ships: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPVBnBK09OM
There are two more solutions I can think of: hydrophobic coatings, and blasted air. I believe these both perform quiet well in less intense rain. Unfortunately both of these suffer from performance degredation from dirt/bug/bird poo etc, so not a perfect replacement to a traditional wiper.
Or using a monitor for the 'windshield' and cooking up some way to keep the camera lens clean.
Put it behind a piece of glass?
Many airliners already use heated window panes for de-icing. Heated windows don't work all that great in a downpour, and wiping is a simple and faster acting alternative.
Blasted air is used minimally for windscreens, but it's a common plane de-icing method for the rest of the vehicle.
The complexity and weight of using spinning windows on planes makes that idea a non-starter.
hydrophobic coatings are also in use, but are generally avoided for the duty of primary windscreens due to most hydrophobic coatings lacking durability to physical stress and contact.
The wipers are costly in terms of excrescence drag, and if there was a better way they'd do it.
So I'm presuming it's not been seen or tested in the wild.
Seems a bit hyperbolic to call it a game changer at this point.
I wouldn't dare correct you as I have no data, but I suspect many people would put brakes or a seatbelt ahead of wipers
Brake and seatbelts typically display warning signs before failure (but not always of course).
One time I was taking a winter defensive driving course, and was the first person in the car to go. It wasn't my car, so it was unfamiliar. They had a number of skid pads, cones, etc. They were also pouring out water to make sheets of ice to help teach skid control.
Some of the water hadn't frozen yet, and the instructor told me to go through it. It put a full sheet of water on the windshield and I was fumbling looking for the wipers, because they weren't on the stick (it was a pull button for some reason). Of course, everyone else knew how to use the wipers by their turn. I didn't lose control of the car, and kept my cool, but it made me realize, ALWAYS check where the wipers are when driving an unfamiliar car. Even if it's not raining, if something gets on your windshield (mud, bugs, dirt), you need to know how to clean it, and fast.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster_(2020)#/media...
https://99percentinvisible.org/article/behind-screens-windsh...
My family were a Citroen (hydropneumatic suspension ftw) family growing up, so we had a variety of 'monobladed' cars, the wipers weren't one of the unreliable parts.
* Photos and diagrams here: http://www.spannerhead.com/2012/11/28/technical-curiosities-...
* A slow-motion video of the wiper in action here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHtEAMwcWI4
* And a couple visualizations of how it works mechanically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_quBiMLqNoc, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdNu113Ep2U
Today, my MB uses two wipers, but it is nevertheless an interesting design as well. Windshield cleaner fluid is not sprayed out though jets that roughly cover the windshield; instead the cleaner fluid comes out from the blades themselves as they move across the windshield. This is almost not visible while it is happening, while cleaning the windshield just as well or better without vision obscuring spraying.
For some reason I've had a feeling for a while that designers are abusing magnets. It seems they are being thrown into everything and for the most frivolous of reasons sometimes. Isn't this a finite resource?
It’s great to see a push for innovation beyond powertrain and head unit, though.
Linear motors have been around for many decades, but are still a niche product. The first commercial linear motor application was as banal as a windshield wiper. It was the 1962 "Electrac by Kirsch®"[1], a linear motor for draw drapes. Back then, large commercial buildings like air terminals were first getting big curved glass areas, and people expected them to have drapes. The string and pulley systems were not good with curves. So Kirsch came out with a linear motor unit that traveled along the drape track and pulled the drape. Multiple motors could run on the same track, for very wide drapes, so it scaled up well. Worked fine, cost too much, had 120VAC in the track.
I once expected linear motors to be a big thing in robotics, but that didn't happen.
[1] https://books.google.com/books?id=bdgDAAAAMBAJ&pg=RA1-PA164&...
Do you mean like door handles?
Presumably because it looks cool.
I've never driven one, but a bit of research indicates that it has a right control stalk but Tesla didn't make it control the wipers. Instead, the button on the left stalk will wipe once. The fact that videos like this exist shows just how horrible the UI is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rr_XzzJ6gc
I'm surprised Tesla could do this, because there are laws that dictate things like what the steering wheel should do, and the order of the pedals and transmission shift pattern (perhaps not so applicable to an EV.)
The windscreen wiper is very likely to be outsourced to a 3rd party company, and they can reduce costs by having a repeatable design. In terms of a blade going on a straight line, it’s much easier to rotate a wiper blade from a motor than translate that into a linear movement.
It’s worth nothing that other systems exist (https://www.a1-windscreens.co.uk/news/windscreen-wiper-movem...), but much less common.
Here's a Hyundai engineer talking about wipers: https://www.digitalengineering247.com/article/the-back-and-f...
Some vehicles have pantograph wipers which work horizontally, however that's a more complex design than the usual simple pivot, and you can't "park" the wipers out of view when they're not in use so they're more obstructive. They're sometimes used on car rear windows but mostly seen on commercial vehicle windshields.
Some cars (mostly benzes) also have eccentric arc systems where the wiper arm extends and retracts to cover more windshield with a single pivot.
1) having a single attaching point for the wipers makes designing stuff around it more simple
2) accurate curved tracks that match windscreens are hard to manufacture, secure and keep in shape
3) Keeping constant force for all parts of the windscreen is much harder with a track (high and low spots, change the window screen, the track needs adjusting too)
4) standard bearings are much more simple to seal
5) linear bearing as a pain to seal
6) tracks are much harder to seal against the weather
7) tracks need more lubrication
One of the nice properties of the dual-blade setup is that if the one in front of the driver fails during a hard rain, it's possible to lean over and drive looking through the passenger-side of the front window -- at least until you can safely exit a freeway and find a safe place to stop.
Maybe less critical if the car is actually self-driving, so I guess I'm not surprised folks are thinking about this.
A terrible idea, unless you're in California and drive in mostly fine weather.
That makes no sense. Autopilot cameras are not in the passenger compartment and would be unaffected by wipers.
Source: I own a Model 3 and just looked. There is a camera on the front of the center rearview mirror on the windshield side.