The CIA's Secret Quest For Mind Control
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Where they invite prominent figures and then record them doing nefarious things in order to ‘mind’ control them later? Nah, this is conspiracy theories territory.
What struck me in the article was Frey's: “Based on what I know, it will remain a mystery.”
I am skeptic on the fact that it was specifically microwaves (but also on the hypothesis it was crickets [3]), but who knows?
From what we know whole-nation influence trough electrical grid seems far-fetched, but if trough EM radiation you could trigger action potentials in the auditory system, maybe it would be possible to do that to the limbic system as well.
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/science/sonic-attack-cuba... [2] https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/06/more-americans-in-ch... [3] https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/01/canada-halves-diplom...
An attack would involve making electrical service cycle its voltage 3 times in succession,
thus causing reversion to a default mode. The majority of routers would be in Out of the Box State, and highly pwnable.
if you are of the 3rd party firmware persuasion, you should flash your router configure, and then flash again, so your backup will be a secure firmware with a secure configuration.
Among the things router manufacturers should do is change this aforementioned behaviour to something like 5 failed reboot attempts in succession, rather than 3 reboot attempts.
have a look here Re firmware and model compatabilities:
this is a table of compatible devices and firmware. The site itself is about open WRT and hosts "apps" to run on your router as network services. It is possible to turn your router into something other than a router [including a paper wieght if your not careful] so read up on what you have, what you want to do, and what you need to do that.
keep in mind im trying to be as general as possible, so you need to do a bit of reading about your router, and what options you have.
make sure you have a backup router, and or all your ducks in a row, as you will not have a router if something goes wrong. The revert feature is usefull if you have that sort of router, the feature itsself is not a bad[evil] thing, the problem is that sucessive power cycling can revert your router to factory configuration and leave your system quite vulnerable to followup attack. this is why you make sure you know what you are doing, flash your router properly, configure it to be secure but open to you , then flash it again with the same firmware and configure it. if it all works properly, you will have a router that reverts to a secure firmware and configuration, instead of factory firmware.
such a router will have two instances of flashed firmware and you can toggle between the instances by flicking the power switch [3times] rapidly so you produce 3 boot failures. this is true in the case of linksys routers and many others but not all, so read often, implement successfully the first time.
The sort of evil hack that can occur, was not possible until it became possible for the control systems of industrial settings to be hacked, by foriegn or domestic elements. I live in a place that has very inconsistent power and i use a UPS to feed my router, that is also a way to mitigate a hack of this sort. Keep in mind that power generation has to be hacked and manipulated, and the major hack would be a followup or an opportunist piggybacking on the first attack, sniffing the DSL environment for open router ports.
so how does this fit into the original topic?
When you interrupt power and cause blackouts you create an opportunity for F.U.D. secondarily messing around with everyones router at gross scale furthers the FUD and opens the door for MITM and consequent manipulation of psychological/ emotional state.
This part makes me think it's all a big conspiracy theory:
> such a router will have two instances of flashed firmware and you can toggle between the instances by flicking the power switch [3times] rapidly so you produce 3 boot failures. this is true in the case of linksys routers and many others but not all, so read often, implement successfully the first time.
I recently purchased a high-end Linksys router and flashed OpenWRT on it so I know exactly what he's talking about. Like modern smartphones, they have two firmware partitions, A and B. When you are booted into the A partition and download an update, it is applied to the B partition. On the next boot the device uses the B partition and then eventually applies the same update to the A partition. This means that updates can be applied without having to restart the device and wait a long time for the flash, and it also means that the device can revert to the A partition if there was an error updating the B partition. That's why it was added a few years ago to Android.
This is explicitly advertised as in the marketing for newer high-end routers (and other things, like computer motherboards).
In OpenWRT you actually have to manually flash both partitions - update the router, reboot into the other partition, and then update again to apply it to the first partition. Which seems to be what rolph is talking about when he mentions flashing updates twice to be a deterrent to this exploit. What doesn't make sense is that rolph implied that the fix of flashing twice applied to all devices.
- On devices with dual firmwares, the stock firmware flashes updates twice to complete the update process - On devices with one firmware but a secret evil firmware, the evil firmware will not be affected by updates, so flashing a new firmware twice will not fix the exploit (which is the opposite of what rolph said)
I would assume high-end older routers do contain a backup stock firmware that can be loaded after multiple failed boots, just like Windows will boot to recovery mode if it fails to boot a few times.
rolph hasn't provided any solid evidence to back his conspiracy theory. That doesn't mean it isn't... as you can see in the comments here, there's tons of stuff we don't know about. Also see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17311005 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5981399
So it might actually be an evil CIA/NSA plot. Or it might not.
It is also a well-known fact LSD doesn't work the next day you take it and you have to rest for about a weak before you can repeat the trip (but, to be honest, I am to mention I haven't checked this myself).
I’ve been doing experiments with my wife to “inject” a different time in her head when I come to bed. My results are mixed during the moment, but she claims to everyone I come to bed at the time I’ve injected. I’m sure in a more controlled environment with patients one could “inject” anything that seems plausible to the naked eye
Or maybe, she's just your wife so she doesn't want to argue with you on such an irrelevant matter.
Also don’t take sleeping pills
I’ve been doing experiments with my wife to “inject” a different time in her head when I come to bed.
You realize you are gaslighting your wife, and that isn't ok, right?
I'm glad you've had a good experiences with LSD every time you've taken it. But even a simple look into the history and culture of LSD and you would know that very "bad" trips are possible. I'm shocked that you haven't done more research into LSD as a whole.
>It is also a well-known fact LSD doesn't work the next day you take it and you have to rest for about a weak before you can repeat the trip (but, to be honest, I am to mention I haven't checked this myself).
Your assertion of "a well-known fact" is in fact false. I'm glad you put the last part in parentheses.
It sounds like you are prime for some reading on the history of LSD & psychedelics, understanding the effects long & short term, understanding how the drug(s) works, and how there were attempts to weaponize it (of course there were).
Apologies if the tone of this comment is a bit down on you, it's not meant to be, I just _really_ hope you educate yourself before speaking again on this subject.
So you are essentially shocked with your own assumption. I've never mentioned I don't know about the "bad trips" theory (although I can only speculate about how does it feel and why can it happen as long as we are talking about LSD, I have only met one person who had a bad trip experience and it was with n,n-DMT).
I also know enough about how does it work on the brain chemistry level.
As for the military usage and related history - I'm not interested enough to invest more time than it takes to write a comment expressing my surprise and my experience so others could share the essential parts in response if they feel like they want to.
What assumption? The assumption that you haven't done more research into psychedelics? LOL. Yep. Cool story bro.
>As for the military usage and related history - I'm not interested enough to invest more time
Yeah... so you just don't do research. Idk why you didn't just admin that in the first place.
Tbh I love your comment, I really do. The amount of ignorance you spew is a good show. Grabs popcorn
A lot of the early CIA experiments on LSD were about trying to come up with a truth serum for use on captured agents, so they went down some weird rabbit holes to that intent.
Also, being in that state, and seeing the world in such a distorted way, without even knowing you're in an altered must be horrifying.
One wouldn't have any reason to believe it isn't "real" or that it will ever end.
Why? Isn't it natural to question your perception when you see something unusual in such a degree?
Even then, what seems more reasonable? "I'm trapped, asleep, in a seemingly never ending nightmare" or "I, a random layman with nothing remarkable whatsoever, have been unknowingly dosed with some unknown substance by the CIA" ?
At the same dose. If you double the dose each day it works just fine
I think this is accurate. Except freeing someone also removes / alters the person's usual defense mechanisms and their internal understanding of what's acceptable to do and say.
What LSD definitely does is makes the person vulnerable to external influence in ways they typically wouldn't be without the drug. For example, you could very plausibly convince someone to run naked down the street in a big city on LSD (the person taking LSD loses the voice in their head saying "NO! DON'T DO THAT!"), while it would be near impossible to convince someone of doing that while not on LSD. From that perspective, it can be thought of a "mind control" mechanism just not in the literal sense.
I had no desire to do weird things under LSD. I in fact realized there is absolutely nothing wrong in being naked and I have no actual shyness since then yet I never forgot the simple fact running around naked (which I didn't even wanted) is going to make normal people uncomfortable (which I certainly don't want) and possibly cause other kinds of undesired consequences like being put in a jail, getting pneumonia or destroying my career (which would make my family suffer).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_experiments
But hey, it happened in Canada, so no harm no foul right? There really should be Nuremberg trials for the sins of the spooks. There won't be though; they run the show. The last time a spook employee got in trouble it was for whistleblowing.
This seems to be true and that's frightening.
But you're a rank amateur. The CIA used University and Medical Schools, plus some believe (and I am one of those "some') they also used Nazi research. Shit an argument can be made that they "know" exactly the psychological profile of people that are prone to mind control, and contrary to popular belief people can be hypnotized into doing things they normally would not.
The US Army [1] researched BZ (which makes LSD look like licorice you give to kids) for TWENTY Years.
People who have been tortured by (still-unindicted) US personnel have not reported being drugged.
This is an extract from the section "Special Handling" in [1]:
#+BEGIN_QUOTE A well-trained espionage recruiter will search for vulnerable targets. Professional intelligence officers are trained to "spot" outward signs of trouble in a person's history or behavior -- such as tumultuous relationships or frequent job changes -- and to evaluate the deeper, more enduring psychological dysfunctions that may be at the root of the problems. These professional recruiters are trained do deploy sophisticated psychological control techniques matched to the vulnerabilities they have detected in order to manipulate, apply pressure, or induce a person to commit espionage.
Some intelligence services do not limit themselves to exploiting pre-existing problems, but may actively foster crises to enhance the target's susceptibility to recruitment. Common forms of such aggressive pursuit and manipulation of targets include emotional or sexual entrapment and financial manipulation through increasing the target's level of debt. A psychologically vulnerable target's grandiosity, sense of being above the rules, or vengeful impulses can all be manipulated in the service of recruitment. #+END_QUOTE
What I found interesting was that the same terminology ("psychological control", "handler") was used also by stratfor's Friedman in the stratfor leaks [2].
[1] https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0001407031....
[2] https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=202526&fbc...
Never tried it myself, but the wife had it used on her when a student, luckily she had only about $15 in her bank account at the time, but says it is like being in a dazed / dream like state where you just go through the motions
Seems a very good candidate to me to get people to believe something they wouldn’t have otherwise.
https://fightingmonarch.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/human-dr...
> Among the drugs illegally used by CIA against American citizens are (a) hypnotic sedatives such as amobarbital, aprobarbital, butabarbital sodium, chloral hydrate, methotrimeprazine hydrochloride, midazolam hydrochloride, paraldehyde, pentobarbital, pentobarbital sodium, quazepam, secobarbital sodium, sodium pentobarbital, temazepam, triazolam, and zolpidem tartrate, (b) hypnotics like demerol, desoxyn (combined with sodium pentothal), methyprylon, and pentothal acid, and (c) memory blockers such as acetylcholine, BZ, and scopolamine.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4858612A/en
> A method and apparatus for simulation of hearing in mammals by introduction of a plurality of microwaves into the region of the auditory cortex is shown and described. A microphone is used to transform sound signals into electrical signals which are in turn analyzed and processed to provide controls for generating a plurality of microwave signals at different frequencies. The multifrequency microwaves are then applied to the brain in the region of the auditory cortex. By this method sounds are perceived by the mammal which are representative of the original sound received by the microphone.
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intellig...
> Only a handful of cases in which scopolamine was used for police interrogation came to public notice, though there is evidence suggesting that some police forces may have used it extensively. 2, 16 One police writer claims that the threat of scopolamine interrogation has been effective in extracting confessions from criminal suspects, who are told they will first be rendered unconscious by chloral hydrate placed covertly in their coffee or drinking water.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_serum
> The United States Office of Strategic Services (OSS) experimented with the use of mescaline, scopolamine, and marijuana as possible truth drugs during World War II. They concluded that the effects were not much different from those of alcohol: subjects became more talkative but that did not mean they were more truthful. Like hypnosis, there were also issues of suggestibility and interviewer influence. Cases involving scopolamine resulted in a mixture of testimonies both for and against those suspected, at times directly contradicting each other.
Plain old "m3th" in folk parlance.
> PRISONERS INSIDE THE U.S. military's detention center at Guantanamo Bay were forcibly given "mind altering drugs," including being injected with a powerful anti-psychotic sedative used in psychiatric hospitals. Prisoners were often not told what medications they received, and were tricked into believing routine flu shots were truth serums. It's a serious violation of medical ethics, made worse by the fact that the military continued to interrogate prisoners while they were doped on psychoactive chemicals.
> BZ was invented by the Swiss pharmaceutical company Hoffman-LaRoche in 1951.[5] The company was investigating anti-spasmodic agents, similar to tropine, for treating gastrointestinal ailments when the chemical was discovered.[5] It was then investigated for possible use in ulcer treatment, but was found unsuitable. At this time the United States military investigated it along with a wide range of possible nonlethal, psychoactive incapacitating agents including psychedelic drugs such as LSD and THC, dissociative drugs such as ketamine and phencyclidine, potent opioids such as fentanyl, as well as several glycolate anticholinergics.[6][7] > By 1959, the United States Army showed significant interest in deploying it as a chemical warfare agent.[5] It was originally designated "TK", but when it was standardized by the Army in 1961, it received the NATO code name "BZ".[5] The agent commonly became known as "Buzz" because of this abbreviation and the effects it had on the mental state of the human volunteers intoxicated with it in research studies at Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland.[5]
> As described in retired Army psychiatrist James Ketchum's autobiographical book Chemical Warfare: Secrets Almost Forgotten (2006), work proceeded in 1964 when a general envisioned a scheme to incapacitate an entire trawler with aerosolized BZ; this effort was dubbed Project DORK.[8] BZ was ultimately weaponized for delivery in the M44 generator cluster and the M43 cluster bomb, until all such stocks were destroyed in 1989 as part of a general downsizing of the US chemical warfare program.
> The U.S. Army tested BZ as well as other "psycho-chemical" agents on human subjects at Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland from 1955 to 1975, according to declassified documents.
Who cares what the CIA did 60 years ago? Why isn't NPR reporting on what they may be doing now?
I find these archives very useful in understanding how they operate and what methods that use. 60 years later but are they now that different than before? Some things don't change.
Former CIA Officer Kevin Shipp [explains how this works and how it is completely misused](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQouKi7xDpM)
Wasn't Gary Webb found with two bullets in his head? Sure, it's possible that he fired those himself. But it's still highly suspicious IMO.
I think that when Gary Webb commited suicide the CIA had already successfully disrupted his work and had no need to kill him. Example had already been given. However, was he still a threat and messing with his life wasn't an effective option, would they have killed him? They have done far worse things.
You are kidding right? Those two bullets in his head were a clear message.
...if you would like to explain yourself [D-voter] rather than hiding, im ready. Here is an opportunity to look around and see how it really works:
https://www.cia.gov/index.html
https://www.cia.gov/offices-of-cia/clandestine-service
feel free to offer your service to your country, if you think you qualify.
"Operation Mockingbird is an alleged large-scale program of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that began in the early 1950s and attempted to manipulate news media for propaganda purposes."
Puts a lil spin on "fake news"
Short answer probably is we don't know what they're doing now because it's still classified and no one inside has leaked much recently and no reporter has gotten a break. As for not reporting what /may/ be happening NPR is pretty good about not wildly speculating with no evidence.
The current narrative being pushed is that Epstein was simply a pimp for the rich and powerful. It's clear there was much more going on though.
Hard to believe this all doesn't go far beyond a mere prostituion service for the rich and powerful.
What is happening now is a 'conspiracy theory' until at some point in the future it becomes historical fact.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/shocking-origins-jeffrey-epste...
Definitely worth a read.
Can a mind be destroyed but continue to have self-awareness to realize it was being treated as a guinea pig? Does the experiment proved it was all BS?
Ted Kaczyinski
Charles Manson
The use of otherwise forbidden topics is especially poignant. The secrets of ancient techniques are inadmissible practically everywhere, thanks to the disturbing involvement of so many sworn oaths against their best interests.
As a recipient of their methodology, I can say there's sadly no good results for them in the near future, since what they've been doing produces counter- effects which will both expose, identify them and their various exchanges, records, and put them under the exact same circumstances.
(And by well I mean takes a fairly sceptical view that they ever really got anywhere, and generally makes the case that the CIA ended up so desperate to counter perceived Russian abilities that they really stopped asking if any of the people they were hiring in this area were either total con-men or just completely nuts.)
does anyone know the "sId" code?
an example URL of the text only site:
I like to do a thought experiment. If mind control is possible, will the CIA want to use it? If the CIA uses mind control, will they tell you about it? If they say that the program was a failure and was shut down, are they telling the truth?
I recommend taking a look into a thing called "trauma-based mind control". It may alter your way of thinking. Or it may not.
I'd point you in the direction of Jon Ronson's The Men Who Stare At Goats for more detail (the book is non-fiction, but the movie is fiction).
When I read it I actually tried to imagine how it was to live back then and to act based on rumors. It was a crazy time to be a secret agent that's for sure
Is there some new revelation in this book that makes it worth reading?
I'm happy to see some headlines to hopefully inform some more folks, but you really have to go digging for this stuff intentionally to get to juicy details. If you are interested in doing so, I recommend picking up Weiner's "Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA".
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Blauer [1] https://apnews.com/2e5220ecb195844edacfbffdb0a37a5a
No not at all--[1] Viet Nam was all about protecting the Opium Poppy... kinda like "we" do in Afghanistan now.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_traffi...
edit: "A Question of Torture" by Alfred W. McCoy is a good book on the subject.