EDIT: Also, they don't let you jump to 128 GB. You have to go to 256 GB, for $150 more. I can see why they didn't talk about this at the event. People would have booed.
About half of the people I help choose phones would be fine with 64 GB, me included. There’s no point making them buy a bunch of flash memory they will never use just to get the better still camera that they want.
But would you be counseling these people to get the iPhone Pro in the first place? I would guess that most folks who want the Pro would want more than 64 GB.
Most people buying the expensive model will probably opt for more storage, but for those that don't need it I don't see a problem with offering a lower tier.
I have no problem with them offering a lower tier either. That's what the non-Pro iPhone 11 is for.
Apple also has created a super terrible backup system, where iCloud and iTunes cant work together. Its very dumb that once I switch to local, that I lose iCloud. Maybe I want to go on vacation for a week, without my computer, and then come back and resume local backups. Why cant iTunes use iCloud as part of its version history??
The phones have synced wirelessly for quite a long while now. And with wireless charging on the newer models, doing so is just so damn easy.
> Its very dumb that once I switch to local, that I lose iCloud.
Can’t you still rely on iCloud for saving and backing up app data, while retaining the full local sync and backup in iTunes? I don’t recall iCloud being disabled when locally syncing, and am pretty sure apps still save data to iCloud on my devices.
> Why cant iTunes use iCloud as part of its version history??
Is that really necessary when iTunes can already sync and backup the whole device as it is when you activate the sync/backup process?
The rest of my complaint is mostly about how complicated a restore becomes if I was using local backup, and then arent home for a while, and need to remerge local and cloud backups. Last I remember, the interface makes you choose one or the other to restore, and then your version history gets all mucked up, as the one you choose becomes the new golden branch.
Don't you charge your phone, in range of your computer?
Although I believe the app developers have to be aware of this and utilise the various storage options correctly - certainly in my latest restore, a whole bunch of apps had lost their state (logins, etc.) Most disconcerting and aggravatingly inconvenient.
I've even asked Genius Bar employees exactly how people are supposed to use the iCloud photo backup. They've admitted that they don't really know what to make of the system, which is not transparent with regard to what photos have been downloaded where. It is difficult for the average user to understand how the file-shrinking system works with photos, and which photos exist only in the cloud versus on their machines.
Also, if I'm already paying for generic cloud storage services, why should I pay for Apple-specific cloud services, at a more expensive price per GB?
32GB of video at 4K is still ~2 hours of video at 30fps. I take a fair amount of pictures, but I don’t think I have taken 30 minutes of video in the last 4 years.
OTOH, I also have a Sony A7iii so, I'm not confined to my iPhone for imagery if I need something really high quality.
[0]: Inspected a fairly complex sunset shot taken with my iPhone X.
Capture rate for multiple streams is one problem. Storage space is another, solved largely by the seamless iCloud integration; get an unlimited data plan or Wi-Fi connection, and the imagery will all just migrate off the device until needed wherever.
Companies would still be buying 32GB by the truckfull if it was available. Apple was right to discontinue it because 32GB wasnt enough to run the OS anymore, while also being a usable phone.
Since you cant run a phone without iOS, and stripping the OS down isnt an option, I think they should be legally required to be truthful in advertising and sell it as a 50-55GB iPhone, probably 50 if they plan on using some of the space for device upgrades.
I use 20 GB on my iPhone SE quite comfortably. It's absolutely enough to be usable.
Agreed, but that's what iPhone 11 is for... There's virtually no commercial reason for 95% of enterprise users to have a Pro version.
A Pro version for most of 2020 that can shoot multiple videos at the same time in 4k, with 64gb... I don't know, doesn't sit well with me. I'm all for keeping the base model basic and as low-cost as possible to those who needn't anything more. But then either reasonably price your storage, or create a 128gb option in between, especially if you don't allow SD cards. And especially when Apple is just fine offering 128gb on the 11, but not the Pro... It's a bit much.
Id maybe bet the other reason they dont offer 128 on the pro is supply chain related, they have all their 128 dedicated to the standard model.
The reason is simple: profit.
The 64GB on the device effectively houses installed apps and an effective cache of thumbnails and downloaded content.
I have the 256 GB config and the needle basically never moves up from about 45 GB.
The iPhone XS is currently at 55.3GB filled, and I have over 400 apps installed.
Getting the Pro model, the next step up is 256 - which is super eye-rolling. The 128 GB model on the regular 11 is perfect.
I honestly think all these high end phones focused on camera, should at least start with 128 GB of space. OS and apps are big enough anyway.
I like how Samsung has stuck to its guns on some of the features that Apple and later others dropped, biggest being the external card support, dual sim support and audio jack. Only if they were not hell bent on adding their own customizations, I would have loved to try one.
Do you see a lot of artists using iPad Pro as their main tool? Me neither, but I do see a lot of them using it as their secondary tool that also doubles as a general-purpose personal computing device. Which is what, I feel, iPhone Pro lineup was made for.
No. Apple offers storage upgrade in 2x increments so 96GB would make no sense, and they do offer 128GB on several models.
It's more asshole design than clever.
Refurb pricing on the iPhone 8 is now $379 (64GB) / $509 (256 GB).
Whatever, this doesn't bother me so much about their phones. The non-upgradable storage in their laptops is a much bigger issue.
iPhone 11 (non pro) is available in 64/128/256GB capacities.
https://www.apple.com/iphone-11-pro/specs/ https://www.apple.com/iphone-11/specs/
They why buy the Pro? Why not just get the normal 11?
So you might be an Apple Fan who happens to be an employee - except you work on idk iMessages or something - you might still be disappointed to see a 1000$ stand, especially from a company you work for.
Given it's a crowded room, I highly doubt employees would be reprimanded for just booing.
I would imagine that would be a pretty big deal with stern words with HR / management or worse if caught
Of course, it's going to be very obvious to most people that the new iPhone 11 is the direct successor to the XR, and the iPhone Pros are the direct successors to the X, XS, and XS Max.
The one thing that kills me about iPhones is the miniscule amount of storage I get. I dont want all my things in the cloud, the cloud is useless to me without access to internet. The cloud is only useful for long-term backup storage if anything.
My phone comes with 64GB and I'm using 58 of that data, I popped in a 64GB SIM card and I'm only using 12 probably cause I filled it up before and wanted to have room for more photos and stuff. I may well buy an iPhone but I want more storage space out of the box, not some cloud solution. It also annoys me that the Macbook Air starts out at 128GB, that gets eaten up so quickly as a developer.
No. What they actually said :-
>Every damn Android phone I've bought lately has Facebook preinstalled, theres other things, but I'm done with it all.
Which everyone supports, if there was a reasonably priced 128gb option for the Pro, the complaint wouldn't be as strong. But there isn't such an option. You either use 64, or at least 4x that much (which, after subtracting 14 from the OS, is actually 5x that much). That's just a pretty silly scale, not granular at all.
So you squeeze tons of consumers to take too little because they don't want to pay for a 5x jump when they need 2x, or squeeze them into doing just that and overpaying, or squeeze them into a cloud subscription. It's not matching the product to the needs in the way that they could.
Meanwhile the 11 gets 128, just not the Pro.
There are three tiers. On the 11, the tiers are 64, 128, 256. On the Pro the tiers are 64, 256, 512. If you want to make an entry level model at 64gb, a top tier at 512gb, and one tier in the middle, then that's a logical way to step things up.
> So you squeeze tons of consumers to take too little because they don't want to pay for a 5x jump when they need 2x, or squeeze them into doing just that and overpaying, or squeeze them into a cloud subscription. It's not matching the product to the needs in the way that they could.
But this logic works the other way: if you only have a 128gb entry level model, then you are forcing consumers who only need 64gb to buy more storage than they need.
So your real gripe is that there isn't a 128gb tier in between the 64gb and 256gb. But the price difference between those tiers is only $150. So the 128gb tier would be something like $50 or $100 less than the 256gb tier. If your huge problem is that you have to pay an extra 5-10% of purchase price because their storage tiers don't perfectly align with your needs, then maybe you're not the target audience.
And 128gb is not some magic number. What about people who only need 300gb? Why should they be forced to pay for 512gb when they only need an additional 50gb on top of the 256gb? Because you have to split things up somehow, that's why. Things just didn't get split in a way that is convenient for you.
[EDIT: "brand" instead of "branch"]
If I'll decide to shot professional video, it will be more suitable device like Go Pro or Sony, depends from type.
"Pro" label completely lost his sense today, just ignore it.
Now would I buy another 64 gig again? Probably not, at least with arcade coming and knowing how fast the games eat up space.
A decade ago we had the 2009 iPhone (3GS) with 8gb base and 32gb max. 64gb didn't exist in the iPhone.
Still I think it'd have been fine to go 64 for the iPhone, but do 128 base for the Pro... Ah well, maybe next year.
There's no excuse for under-speccing a $1000 phone and charging $150 to add a $40 NAND chip to it.
(Looks at Apple's profit margins and revenue)
Oh that's why.
Why are you against booing bad things? Are you an APPL investor making a lot of money on these choices? If not, I really can't understand your position here.
Boo changes you don't like, okay, fine. Boo the status quo? That's... odd.
This seems funny since Android outsells Apple 4 to 1 and Windows outsells Apple 5 to 1, (and Android and Windows use USB-C for phones and laptops respectively). So quick math here would tell you that USB-C penetration is 4 to 5 times more broad than lightning based purely on sales.
EDIT: Also Apple uses USB-C on some laptops, so those numbers would affect it too
If I had to rank connectors by how many devices use them it would probably be Micro USB - Lightning - USB-C
Edit: if we include laptops and other non-mobile devices, I would say that normal USB far surpasses everything else usage wise, USB-C seems to only be in the high end laptops and even then most laptops have some normal USB ports as well.
How about the most popular noise cancelling headphones, the Sony 1000XM3 (usb-c). I see them everywhere.
Some laptops? More like all laptops. Find me one being sold now without usb-c. They would be a joke. The best tablet, the iPad Pro is usb-c (though yes I know the lower end ones are lightning).
What about the best video gear. All the best mirrorless video cameras like the Panasonic GH5, Sony A7iii, Nikon Z7, Fuji T-X3, BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, all with usb-c. The best webcam out there, the Logitech Brio with usb-c.
Let's talk about specialty gear. The most popular external disk, Sandisk Portable Extreme with usb-c. The most popular mobile hotspot, the Nighthawk mobile router has usb-c. The most popular audio interface, Focusrite, uses usb-c pretty much for all their products now. The best presentation remote, the Logitech Spotlight is usb-c charging.
Me and my friends have flashlights, shavers, toothbrushes, VR headsets and remotes, all with usb-c. Great for travel.
Basically, any good product being released now is usb-c, and has been for the past couple years.
Excuse me? 64GB standard storage for a "PRO" labeled $1000 phone that extensively advertises its professional video capacity is not an arbitrary or personal definition of bad. It's objectively inferior to its competition. It's objectively the lowest storage space of any $1000+ phone on the market.
That you would conflate this discussion to think these are arbitrary opinions seems dishonest.
>"Boo changes you don't like, okay, fine. Boo the status quo? That's... odd."
It seems like you accept predatory profit-driven business decisions as "status quo" even when competitors offer far better options. I don't get your definition of "status quo" when it's synonymous "worst in class".
The Galaxy Note 10 at $1000 comes standard with 256GB, an upgrade which makes the iPhone cost $1150.
But sure, "status quo", as long as the current state of the market and state of competition isn't considered...
For the iMac Pro it's $400 to go from 32GB to 64GB of memory. High end memory is around $140 for the same jump. "High performance" - it's the same 2666MHz chips.
Storage? Samsung NVMe prices are around $300 per TERABYTE. Tell more about the high performance silicon Apple is using that is worth $800/TB.
I doubt it, those events get gasps and thunderous applause over the most basic features that competitors have had for a while.