How China is Cashing in on Group Chats
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I couldn't imagine Facebook limiting group size. It seems like mass groupings and mass trends are kind of the bread and butter of western culture. I am reminded of how anti "Sorcery of the Spectacle" this is.
* The paranoia about mass action in china has created a new kind of artificial collectivism/individualism hybrid: The capped size group. * We are seeing a new form of social organziation! People, this is momentus! Seriously, go read "Sorcery of the Spectacle" again and think deeply about what this means. It's practically a re-conquering by the proletariat of the social sphere!
The no global search thing is crazy. You actually have to know people who tell you about things? How absurdly 1990s! The whole thing reminds me a bit of the mailing list culture of the late 90s. That all got eaten by Facebook groups, but it could have been something different.
"Cultivating a sense of safety is key. Unlike WhatsApp and Signal, which reveal users’ private cell phone numbers to the group– or the now-defunct chats within Facebook Groups, which exposed users’ real identities–WeChat allows its users to adopt aliases. Those anonymous usernames act as a privacy shield, giving users control over how their identities are displayed. (Though it’s hidden from other group users, WeChat does require a phone number and real-name verification to sign up, which curtails anonymous troll abuse.)"
So they've learned from 4chan!
That is ludicrous.
"Cultivating a false sense of safety is key" might have been more accurate.
Does anyone here believe that the commies cannot ready any and all WeChat messages?
Even requiring invitations past 100 members doesn't mean you need some kind of personal connection. Instead of the group QR code, organizers can post their personal one and then add everyone to the group who messages them. It might slow down spammers who constantly try to join random groups, because they won't know whom to ask for an invite.
Lack of global search for groups also isn't much of a hurdle, since you can still globally search for posts inviting people to join a group. It does mean that there's a niche for companies who create groups and assign members to them based on some criteria, as described in the article.
And regarding usernames and anonymity: they work a bit differently than you might expect. Every WeChat user has a unique identifier which is random by default, but can be set to something intelligible if you want to make it easier for others to add you by searching. Then there's a global username, which is shown to your contacts and in groups by default. Per-group aliases don't completely override that; you can still find out someone's global username by looking at their profile. So most people set their alias to their real name in groups that require it and stay pseudonymous otherwise. You can also set aliases for your own contacts, which helps recognize people who constantly change their name and avatar.
I hope that clears things up a bit.
So, the group size cap is just a rule to say if your group was not over the cap, you will be fine. If you bypass that somehow, you enter a grey area where the government may or may not inference you depending on the nature of the event.
There are most certainly close ties to the central government, and they won't go against core demands of the PCR. But they are regularly picking fights and mending the borders of what is considered appropriate.
There is no official rule against having bigger group chat sizes, in fact it exists on other social media. - It might have been an inofficial directive from some ministry, it might have other reasons. From what I can spot, there's not a whole lot of users complaining about the chat restrictions anyway.
The big problem however is getting locked in on one proprietary platform. I guess what we can realistically hope for is for there to be three or four big players and competition will keep them from being exploitive monopolies.
I still think that we are going to end up with a world out of William Gibson’s cyber punk sci-fi novels: a few mega corporations with small groups, arcologies, and individual hustlers living on platforms they don’t control. A mixture of mega corps with small scale entrepreneurs.
And each question can get it's own topic -- there's a chat but it need not be used for everything?
And, an open source platform? A university can choose to install on their own server.
Then have a look at Talkyard:
https://www.talkyard.io/use-cases (I'm developing it)
Every conversation will invoke a feeling that someone is trying to sell something for profit.
This is one of the issues in modern commerce in China.
All the live broadcaster use their friends network. Every conversation happening in WeChat or other messaging app is analyzed multiple times to figure out what could be sold to those people to generate profit.
It becomes tiring when you can only see in everything one do someone is trying to sale something, be it taking taxi, trying to talk with your friends, watching movie, even when people sleep companies try to analyze their sleep and process the information to find what can be sold to that person.
If I booked a vacation with some company and they offered me to join their WhatsApp group specific to my destination I see nothing wrong with that. The reason we don't have that here is probably that it's too expensive. In China you can hire someone for next to nothing to monitor some WeChat groups and have them answer frequent questions or extract potentially useful new information from other users conversation in that group. Shouldn't be too surprising and if you don't want this, don't join. Like when you're uncomfortable with sharing random recordings from your home with Amazon, don't buy Alexa.
Err, WeChat doesn't have any advertising, notably unlike Google and Facebook.
What? WeChat does have advertising.
"So what does advertising on WeChat look like? For the most part, ads on WeChat are similar to those seen across most social platforms. Brands can create Official Accounts that users can choose to subscribe to."
"Brands can also raise awareness by running paid campaigns focused on driving new users to subscribe to their official account."
"Other paid popular paid tactics include display banner ads and WeChat Moments. Moments are essentially WeChat’s version of Facebook ads. These populate in a user’s social feed so that they appear native and unintrusive. Advertisers can choose to either place up to six static photos or up to 6-15 second videos."
https://www.pmg.com/blog/3-things-to-know-about-advertising-...
"Since Tencent announced WeChat advertising in 2015, we have now helped dozens of brands launch campaigns on the platform."
https://www.shenglidigital.com/blog/why-advertisers-should-c...
"A Comprehensive Guide to WeChat Advertising"
https://tenbagroup.com/chinese-marketing/a-comprehensive-gui...
"Advertising on WeChat: cost, format, targeting, rules & regulations"
https://wechatwiki.com/wechat-resources/wechat-advertising-m...
That's not advertising, because it's explicit search, subscribe, opt-in. It's more like an opt-in newsfeed that gets aggregated in to your other alerts.
Quite right there are ads in WeChat moments, I had completely forgotten, as they were quite rare when I did use the feature and these days, like many people I don't use that feature... resulting in an experience which is, truthfully and completely without ads.
However, the tide is here past the hype of “Chat Bots” and I’m happy to be working on this problem for helping people find jobs. Messaging is the ultimate form of UX. Communicate it, and it’s done.
At Edvo, we’re having a lot of positive feedback from the job seeker side over Messenger. We have a lot to work on still but, definitely see and feel the adoption of messaging based commerce and general ux.
It’ll be interesting how that transitions in a post mobile era. I’m excited!
Bold claim. I do not think this is true outside of very specific use-cases.
https://www.ns.nl/klantenservice/contact
Odd title “cashing in” considering there’s no talk of the business behind WeChat...
I heard you can’t even order ramen without using WeChat/WePay.
1.4 billion people use it as their dominant payment method. Not mobile payment method, but payment method full stop. I think it's safe to say they're incredibly profitable.
That’s my point. Tencent intentionally hides WeChat in their financials. You assume it’s wildly profitable because Tencent is. Usually when a company tries to hide the financial narrative of a product it’s not because it’s doing great.
“We consider payment at this point in time as to [sic] infrastructure service rather than a service that generates profit for us. And I think that status will maintain for quite some time,” Martin Lau