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Huawei Announces Kirin 990 and Kirin 990 5G: Dual SoC Approach, Integrated 5G

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What's with the non zero axis graphs? This kind of things immediately taints the presentation.

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14851/IMG_20190906_111056....

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14851/2019-09-06%2011.01.0...

I mind less non zero axis graphs than no unit graphs.

Apple is doing this for ages....Like how they demonstrate Swift is faster than Python, lol

Starting the axis somewhere other than zero may be forgivable for some types of graph, but bar charts aren't one of them.

For a keynote, I'm ok with the no axis graphs. It's technically not even trying to be a "graph". Just a comparison graphic. But units are a must.

In this case the information is more misleading because it is on a graph than it would be with just numbers. How can it be a good "comparison graphic" when the graphic part of it impedes my ability to make a comparison?

And the first image doesn't even have units…

>What's with the non zero axis graphs?

It's how you emphasize a change in the series, and is an acceptable method provided you aren't intentionally misleading. Context matters.

If you look at the presentations, they are comparing only 2 or 3 values, so graph itself is meaningless because visual delta between two values does not mean anything.

How so ? One is showing power consumptions in milliamperes, the other is score marks in GFXBench - both of which should be quite meaningful.

Ofcourse you have to know what GFXBench is measuring.

What information is the graph actually showing? That number X increased, sure, but not in any way by how much. By not having a labeled Y-axis, and not having the y-axis start at zero it is basically meaningless from a communication standpoint. It might be effective from a marketing standpoint, but only in the misleading way.

They made no effort to be truthful. Now I don't believe anything in that presentation.

Printing the actual data values on the bars seems to contradict "no effort to be truthful".

Just accept the bar graphs as the decorative ornaments that they are in the presentation. Even stripped of scales or origins the three bar graph manages to convey relative improvements, very much a Monty Python Black Knight move on its part.

will be interesting to watch how Kirin 990 based phones are going to perform in EU markets when Google Play services are not allowed to be pre-installed

Would the sanctions prevent Google from licensing Google Play services to a European company, if said company intends to install the software on imported Huawei phones?

Are there EU sanctions against Huawei? Because the US lifted the ban on US companies selling to Huawei before it really came into effect.

The Mate 30 will not have Google services:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-tech-alphabet-idUS...

Google, as a US company, can't license (=sell) to Huawei. EU never enters into it.

If Huawei can make a set of comparable cloud services (app store, push notifications, maps ...) that runs in the eu under eu law. Then that coupled with the high end hardware they are obviously capable of making would make a very compelling package for an European audience.

This may not be obvious to an American observer but the mistrust of American big tech is quite widespread in certain parts of Europe.

If Huawei can make a set of comparable cloud services (app store, push notifications, maps ...)

Oh, is that all they need to do? History has shown that most hardware companies are really good at writing software, so they should have this in the bag.

> If Huawei can make a set of comparable cloud services...

Lack of YouTube, Google Maps, and GMail will kill it for 90 percent of users.

GMail supports SMTP an IMAP access, so they won't lack GMail. Youtube supports web access which frankly is better than the Google App because it doesn't nag you all the time. Google Maps up until recently was just another navigation app which are a dime a dozen. (For a while there it wasn't a particularly good navigation app, but they've really pick up their game recently.) I have no doubt can build replacements for them all.

But all those apps in the app store - that's a problem. Google's lead in speech recognition - that's a problem. Google pay - that's a problem, particularly as the app store is tied into it. Google's lead in image processing and cameras - that's a problem. Google's amazing ability to translate languages - that's a problem.

"Mistrust of American big tech" is not unknown in USA either.

Gotcha. The whole blacklist thing is confusing AF, especially with Huawei being given several reprieves...

I can't wait for affordable 5G wireless broadband routers to hit the market. 5G has recently arrived in my area and I'd love to upgrade from my Huawei 4G router.

Where are you such that it's attractive and that you already use a 4G router? In the US at least cellular internet, wether 4G or 5G, is still cost prohibitive due the high cost data ($/GB).

US prices are a joke and are multiple times higher than in other places, e.g. Poland - you can get 50GB/month for 12$. Even better there is special promotion now and it's half of it for 6 months .. 6$/50GB. On top of that this is not sth like 12-months contract and you can cancel it any time.

At the same time I am living in Bay Area paying close to 100$ to Comcast for landline connection because my discount promotion has expired and AT&T is not providing service to my address.

https://www.play.pl/resources/pdf/2018/Cennik-Oferty-Play-NE...

Wow maybe Poland don't have a "communications commission" whose primary task is to protect telco monopolies?

I think 4G is really cheap all around Eastern Europe. F.i. in Lithuania we have unlimited 4G for 18.90eur/month

In fairness almost everything is cheaper in Poland. Even compared to Europe.

> ”Where are you such that it's attractive and that you already use a 4G router?”

London, UK. I pay £20/month (~ USD $25) for SIM-only, unlimited data wireless broadband on the Three network. 12 month contract, though you can pay a bit more for 30-day. Got a Huawei MiFi router (tiny credit-card size thing) on Amazon for £69.

Typically gets around 40 Mbps, sometimes a bit less at peak times. But I think the speed is limited by the cheap router as I’ve seen up to 105 Mbps if I put the SIM in my iPhone!

Here in the UK, Three offer unlimited 4G data for £22/mo ($27). That's a very compelling alternative to fixed broadband for a lot of people; it's going to get a lot more compelling with the rollout of 5G.

http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Devices/Huawei/E5573bs-322_4...

Some 10 pct of the US doesn't even have access to DSL. https://broadbandnow.com/DSL

A good chunk of the 90% that do have DSL don't have broadband speeds (25/3Mbps) offered to them over DSL.

Yeah and the definition of "broadband" seems to vary with whoever needs to slant the data. I had a hard time finding any "broadband" availability stats that included which definition they used.

It's like percent unemployment.

These are still ARM based right? How are these legal?

ARM is UK afaik and Huawei is not banned in UK. Maybe after brexit US will force UK to ban Huawei in return for a trade deal (IF brexit goes through and I always maintained that brexit would never happen)

Owned by a japanese parent company, HQ'd in the UK, designed and, I assume, patent filed in the US, texas iirc

I didn't know they were owned by a Japanese company. Which makes this even weirder because Japan is really anti-Huawei. They were the first to ban Huawei.

It's currently a subsidiary of Softbank Japan.

some chips are designed in Austin and San Jose but Cambridge is not only a business HQ

Why wouldn't it be, they lost their arm license?

What about the basephone firmware sending tracking data to China?

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