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Slack is nothing at all like email. It's proprietary, non-federated and has built-in data discovery/spying mechanisms to record every click/keystroke made by users.

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It is basically a chat program though right? It has some newer features, but they seem just like incremental improvements over proprietary chat applications I've been using for the last 25 years.

Yes. It's basically a chat program with lousy search features. Oh and it has a "native" Electron app, which just means the user experience is better in a browser.

Doesn't sound that different from Gmail to me.

Gmail was not the first email program (which is what the OP asked about). Gmail came several decades after email was invented and already in widespread use. You may or may not realize this fact (depending on your age).

Slack wasn't the first chat application either. The fact that it's a value add atop IRC is irrelevant, as Gmail is a value add atop IMAP.

I'm the OP, it doesn't really matter which was the first, my point was that we've had plenty of new "categories" of software. And in reality many that are just like Slack.

In some ways Google Apps for Business is a really good example of a sort of "new category" of communication software. You could plugin apps online, rather than have to host it your self.

A bit of googling shows he's called Slack a "brand new category of software" many times before, but I'm not clear what he thinks it is.

Yes and slack is not the first instant messaging program. /snarky quip about your age and IRC/

How many corporations use G suite for their email? How many roll their own email systems and use thunderbird?

To the average user, email is a proprietary non-federated system filled with tracking.

Sorry, I don't mean that as snark. Many people born after 2000 have known nothing but Gmail as email and are surprised to learn that other email systems/providers exist.

That's nothing unique to age. I regularly talk to people born before 1960 (and 1970, and 1980....) who don't know that email is separate from it being on a website (about the only difference is that they know of Yahoo Mail, Hotmail, etc)

Gmail's a bad comparison because it never had to make money directly - it was just there to help Google build and maintain their search monopoly by acting as another data source and shutting out competitors. Slack, on the other hand, needs to make money because chat is their only product.

Gmail is the overwhelming reason that businesses pay for Google Apps.

Can you supply some references for the keystroke assertion?

https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/360002079527-A-guid...

I'm confused. The question was about the keystroke assertion, which this link does not discuss.

ermogourd kids it's IRC, ferchrissakes. with oh yeah bots and file transfer and groups.

i heard they were throwing money at integrations with everything, had a bumpy ride scaling (mysql master-master ffs) and had vague plans for AI that'd help automate your org, not sure where that went. But the VC wants exponential or bust, so there you go.

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