WeWork CEO gives back $5.9M from 'We' trademark after criticism
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1) If WeWork does NOT raise at least $3billion in this IPO they will be in default of a contingency with lenders that will WITHHOLD a committed $6billion credit line. (a)
2) This at first glance sounds sage, keeps the bankers honest in pushing the IPO right? When in fact the lending bankers ALONE will split a 3% up front loan fee - $180,000,000 - if their buddies down the hall can sell $3b of stock to bag holders in the IPO.
3) If you're lending $6b to a property landlord you'd want some strong guarantees right and again ensure the banks customers are being prioritized? Of course not - these WeWork loans will be "secured against cash and leases" NOT real property.
So the bankers, many of whom are involved in both the IPO and the unsecuritized loan, will FEAST on short term fees but of course believe in the long term viability of the business right?
This should all end well.
(a) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-01/wework-se...
Some's going to have to pay for those expensive buildings, bonuses, suits and perks.
I can see it now:
“Wait, so we’d be investing in your business which is leasing buildings from another business that you own... but we’re not getting a piece of that action?”
“Hold on, so we’d have to license the name of this company back from you and then you continue to get a royalty from that?”
“So what’s your revenue and how much did you take home last year? Sorry say that again?!?”
It also screams that you ought to be closely auditing expenses from every member of the cxo team.
The beautiful thing is that CEO culture and reputation is such that having successfully lead a company to an IPO might be enough on it's own to land him a number of cushy board seats and future CEOing opportunities assuming he doesn't just grab the cash and run to Peru.
"In consideration of this contribution and in lieu of paying cash, the Company issued to WE Holdings LLC partnership interests in the We Company Partnership with a fair market value of approximately $5.9 million, which was determined pursuant to a third-party appraisal."
(Quoted by Matt Levine, I assume from the original statement)
Alternatively the shareholders might be able to go after him for some conflicts of interest - he manipulated the company restructuring to pick a particular name after personally securing the rights to it to force the company to buy it off of him...
Both these scenarios seem like things that should be illegal.
https://thisweekinstartups.com/e969
I've got a friend who runs a very successful co-working center. She competes against WeWork and said the first half of this episode is the single best discussion of the WeWork IPO.
Why wouldn't they clearly state the most basic financial metrics if this was anything else besides a steaming, raging dumpster fire?
Reference: https://fortune.com/2019/08/20/wework-ipo-s-and-p-500/
[0] WeWork’s CEO Makes Millions as Landlord to WeWork - https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2019/01/16/wework-c...
I'm reminded of the title of a book I read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smartest_Guys_in_the_Room_...
In that situation, the smartest move is to plunder your investors and shareholders for everything they are worth.
interesting definition of "smart" you're using
It is not completely legal though. Someone like a CEO has a fiduciary responsibility to act in the best interests of the company. "Breach of Fiduciary Duty" is a real thing, and opens you up to liability for actual loses as well as punitive damages. So while I understand why the CEO would do this, it's probably a good idea to step back from that activity, especially on the verge of an IPO where the investor market might take a hard pass at a company whose CEO appeared ready to strip the enterprise for parts and abscond with the proceeds.
BTW, I notice that commenters often have wildly different views of what rules mean. To some, they mean something intrinsically, and it's the players duty to understand and abide by them. To others, rules mean nothing unless they are enforced, and even then you have tons of wiggle room (roughly proportional to the money you spend on your defense). (And these days there's a vocal third crowd that says the government shouldn't enforce rules against businesses of a certain size "because it makes us vulnerable".)
As for a good CEO vs. successful CEO, I guess I don't actually view the later as "successful", because their actions either hurt the company or at least hindered its success. I look at the failure of Sears, abetted by a self-dealing CEO, as a prime example of failure in this area.
In a business with very risky long-term fundamentals, yes.
If you are trying to run a factory that makes widgets, or a store that sells widgets, or even a social network where people discuss widgets... There are obvious ways to build a successful business around these things. Just do what your competitors do, but better. It's very clear that a viable business can be made of this sort of thing, and that being a corporate pirate is just one of multiple ways of enriching yourself.
When your business consists of giving away a dollar for ninety cents, personal plunder is the only smart maneuver. Your shares aren't going to be worth the paper they are printed on, once the music stops, regardless of the heroic efforts you might, or might not undertake.
Further, you assume that legitimate compensation would exceed what a predatory CEO could extract by self-dealing and gaming performance metrics. Even a successful business may have much more upside for the CEO in self-dealing rather than long term hard work. Why put in the hours to increase your legitimate compensation package when instead you can siphon the same or greater amounts via self-dealing? Or even just half of that, but in a tenth of the time before moving on to the next victim company?
Which would mean not having pesky VC's with massive liquidity preferences.
Neumann is playing very efficient cards, his problem is trying to simultaneously portray this as something the public market should invest in.
Everyone gullible enough to consider WeWork shares on the public markets as validation - aka ALL the employees - should re-evaluate. Let the shares float, but no need for the lead underwriters to hold up syndicate bid, just let it float to its natural share price without the window dressing.
Yet, we know that on IPO day both retail and institutional investors are going to ignore all these red flags and still buy, and the company is still going to be valued at $40-$50 billion. Why is that? Why doesn't everyone just stay away?
1) That the consensus is wrong and this is an amazing, misunderstood business. Stratechery has the most balanced view IMO of this possibility - https://stratechery.com/company/wework/ - in this case you will likely be able to value buy the stock and hold for long term gain.
2) That the bankers selling to retail & institutional investors have a giant, incumbent incentive tied to IPO fees, debt origination fees, and of course actual debt repayment. As a result they are going to sell the WeWork stock and because what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If this is the accurate case WeWork will likely achieve their IPO guidance and be a good long term short.
Do we know that? I'm just over here eating popcorn.
While I do agree with what you believe is the "overwhelming consensus", there are legitimate reasons to think WeWork is bullish too. Here's an article I think does a good job representing both beliefs: https://fortune.com/2019/09/01/wework-ipo-stock-should-i-buy...
Most people will stay away. But not everyone. And that not everyone may well be enough.
Also, shorting this stock is going to be expensive.
WeWork claims 3,7 million m2 office space and a 47 billion USD "valuation", or 12 700 USD/m2.
So the valuation of WeWork per square metre they rent, is about the same as the cost of One WTC per square metre ...
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1533523/000119312519...
That doesn't include land value, does it? A significant chunk of the lease is to pay for the land value.
If there is anything the Internet has shown, it is (unfortunately, IMO) that all the money is to be made in marketing, not in actually building or selling things. I mean, Google absolutely rakes it in with AdWords, while all the businesses actually buying AdWords to sell real products often lose money (Mary Meeker's latest report showed how customer acquisition costs are starting to exceed the lifetime value of customers!!)
Thus, in and of itself, I don't find it odd that a marketing and management company like WeWork is worth more than the products they rent.
1. Find a market that has no way of shrinking and where small and big money is being made.
2. Launch an app that you can market as a product, but that makes money from providing a service to small and big money business.
3. Profit.
https://www.rentnyoffice.com/one-world-trade-center-office-s...
My point is that short term lease contracts are less valuable than the thing you lease otherwise there is no point in leasing. A silly comparison for a silly valuation.
It turns out that although we employees are fêted as "Masters of the Tech Universe," Adam is a member of the Owner Class, and we are members of the Worker Class, and the two classes play by different rules.
The first of such rules is that Owners make the rules, and consequently those rules benefit Owners over Workers.
I'm ok with that, obviously, but being ok with something is not the same thing as being blind to it.
why?
I would never invest in this company but it is good to see that at least people understand that this sale was shady.
I, for one, am grateful for this demonstration that transparency can work. I feel like the last several years have involved a lot of "here's someone/some company doing something really bad" and the world collectively shrugs. (I mean, lots of outrage too, but the shrugs win)
Here's a case where govt regulation (requiring the disclosure), people reporting, and individual reactions all did what they were supposed to do. (And I dont mean that the money was returned - I mean that there is sufficient pressure that he/the company actually feels a need to react).
It's a nice feeling, even if too rare.
Will it be daytraders? Index funds? Or just “suckers” that have a fear of missing out?
I’m not trolling, I really try to understand what reasoning those people have.
The whole Web 2.0 and beyond phenomenon is about getting some other sucker to over-pay for what you built before you run out of money.
1. The numbers are a magnitude larger, instead of 100's of millions we're talking billions for the individual players.
* Today's villains are far more disingenuous about their motives. In the 80's they unapologetically embraced greed for greed's sake, none of this false "making the world a better place" BS.
When things swing the other way, and not as much money is floating around waiting to be invested, investors will be able to hold the investees to higher standards.
A huge amount of hype and money involved. They have the biggest and "best" investors behind them. Those who point out seemingly huge problems with their long-term business model are dismissed as "just not getting it".
Sometimes business models really are new, and I admit that I often don't grasp the importance or viability of a new model at first glance, but when a business seems this wrong it usually is.
This company/its IPO is a shining example of what emerged from the way "we" decided to structure the US economy post 2008 recession.
However, in general, those don't really substitute for an office. Even an open floor plan office like WeWork mostly is.
Yes, at the margins, if someone doesn't really need an office, WeWork or its competitors are sort of a luxury that can be done without. But if someone wants to/has to work outside of their home, possibly with co-workers, have meetings in conference rooms from time to time, etc., the local Starbucks is probably not going to cut it.
They're not a tech company tho...
A lot of people care now because they just filed for an IPO, which is why he returned the money.
But if this was a private company and a co-founder thought he deserved $6 million for his efforts and wanted to label it as a trademark transfer, I see no problem with it.
The fact that this wouldn't apply if they were private doesn't really matter here, they are on their way to be public.
1. The standard CEO pose - ala Steve Jobs
Starting with a baseless attack just weakens your reporting.