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> Primarily vegetarian diets and less driving would make mountains of difference for the world.

No, it wouldn't.

Look at pandas, they are bears (omnivores, like us), living on a primarily vegetarian diet.

They sleep 16 hours a day and when they are awake they eat, because a vegetarian diet is not really energy efficient.

If we are talking about a true vegetarian diet, environmental friendly.

if we are talking about "I can be mostly vegetarian because I buy integrators from the drugstore" that's the same of eating fried chicken intensively farmed 4 times a day, in large quantities, for the environment.

What most western cultures should aim for is eating raw food, completely avoid processed food and, most of all, EAT LESS.

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Assuming you genuinely are trying to make a good faith argument (which I strongly feel you're not):

Pandas eat bamboo. Bamboo has practically no nutritional value so, no, Pandas are not very energetic.

None of the vegetarians I know need 16 hours of sleep per day, and I suspect that's because

- They are not bears, and so do not have the metabolism of bears.

- They don't subsist entirely off bamboo, or one foodstuff in general.

Besides, the a primarily vegetarian diet doesn't necessarily mean no meat, it just means realising that meat production is so absurdly energy, land, and water intensive that eating it on a daily basis is simply unsustainable.

The amount of energy that goes into cooking hour meat is negligible compared to the amount of energy needed to produce it in the first place.

> Besides, the a primarily vegetarian diet doesn't necessarily mean no meat

Just eat less.

If you eat less, you automatically balance your diet.

You could live of three pieces of beef junkie a day for a long time, that's not so bad for environment as well.

They made you believe that "meat production is so absurdly energy, land, and water intensive" but that's because our information system is mainly based on the US lifestyle, the land of freedom (to destroy other people lives).

I grew up in places like this, where meat production is almost a natural process.

https://reportagedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/pascolo-...

The more you eat, the more the spectrum moves towards junk food.

Beyond true hunger, it's only addiction.

Addictions are never a good thing.

> Look at pandas

Look at Indians instead. We eat a primarily vegetarian diet. I assure you we sleep nowhere close to 16 hours a day. We also work in the sweltering heat etc, which our diet seems more than capable of taking on.

Yeah, eating raw food is great, and eating less is also great. "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" and all that, but Indian cuisine stands as an example that eating vegetarian food need not be a bland affair.

> Look at Indians instead

I'm Italian my friend.

We live of vegetables, but we don't try to create the myth of the "mostly vegetarian diet" like most do about Indians.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43581122

EAT LESS, that's all we have to do.

I'm not saying we are particularly good at not eating meat. I'm saying we are evidence that not eating meat need not be a deprivational scourge.

I just said it won't save the planet.

I could live of tomatoes, because I love them, not because I think I'm part of some kind of world salvation army.

i would against eating all food raw. The following is a comment i made in another thread:

Raw fruit is fine, veggies not really. Many contain substances that should deter animals from eating them. The digestibility of veggies usually increases when they are cooked.

wheat contains Phytic acid for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid which can be reduced with the correct dough process.

The beta-carotene in carrots is fat soluble and the cells are pretty robust, so you get more out of them if you cook them in fat.

Champignons contain a mild poison, which is not deadly for humans but destroyed when heated, digestibility increases too.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20138665

You're right, I intended raw as in "not processed".

Buy them raw and then cook them yourself.

Of course I cook my meat and my potatoes :)

Pandas eat eucalyptus, which is the worst plant they could eat. Don't know why they do it, but it is what it is.

Pandas eat bamboo.

Koalas eat eucalyptus.

Well... true. What can I say, they almost look the same...

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