I think being friends with a convicted child sex trafficker should be cause for disgrace. That's something most normal people would not do.
I think being friends with a convicted child sex trafficker should be cause for disgrace. That's something most normal people would not do.
There's an equivalent version of the same sentiment that atheists can share too.
Participating in their activities, or not stopping them when they see them, is another thing, of course.
I wouldn't hold it to somebody if they befriended an ex-murderer for example, knowing e.g. they killed people in the past.
But that doesn't mean people should negatively judge anybody who doesn't respond like that, and e.g. remains, or becomes, friend with somebody who did wrong (even extreme wrong). They could stay away from them (the friends) too, but why judge them for the mere fact of being friends?
I mean, they could just them negatively in thinking that they are complicit -- but shouldn't just them negatively merely for being friends.
Pedophiles require a network of enablers to operate, much more so for high-profile cases like Epstein. If someone you know chooses to associate with a known pedophile, you should cut all ties with them. If you don’t, then you are potentially complicit in the crime insofar as you could potentially provide assistance to someone who is enabling a known pedophile.
This is why anyone with a functioning moral system will negatively judge associates of known pedophiles. I’m not sure why this needs to be spelled out for you.
Did you even read my comments in these discussions (not just this subthread), and do they look like defending to Epstein and friends as to their innocence to you?
My point is an ages old point (and part of basic christian morals): love to the neighbor doesn't stop when one has been (or even is) a sinner, even if they're the worst sinner. In fact that's where it makes more sense.
That's not about befriending a criminal to participate or benefit from their crimes (which I made abundantly clear and even spelled out). It's also not about befriending a criminal and keeping quiet about criminal stuff you see (thus enabling) their crimes.
It's that if you're a friend, you're a friend. Friendship and love for a criminal isn't complicity and shouldn't be judged as such. In fact it could be the best thing that helps to make a criminal see their ways. Doubly so for an ex-criminal.
You seemed to be arguing there that we shouldn’t make negative judgments of those who choose to be friends with others who have committed “extreme wrong” which I assume includes crimes like those committed by Epstein.
That is specifically what I take issue with, and I stand by my assertion that any defense of that position in the context of pedophila constitutes pedophilic apologetics.
The mandate to “love thy neighbor as yourself” does not require Christians to refrain from making negative moral judgements of others based on who they choose to associate with.
You should be lauded for befriending a repentant murderer who has served his time and is trying to come back into society.
You should be shamed for befriending an unrepentant murderer who avoided punishment through his wealth and connections and may still be murdering today.